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To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org, Andreas Fink References: <84f5abeb-2557-10b7-9cca-5845215db109.ref@verizon.net> <84f5abeb-2557-10b7-9cca-5845215db109@verizon.net> <20221116155914.7d2f3304@web.de> From: Alan Grimes Message-ID: <85f1b6a2-699c-7aed-30db-0ef4df1e87e8@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2022 11:17:49 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.53.13 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20221116155914.7d2f3304@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20880 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.aol X-Archives-Salt: 5559a372-0c2a-4d3a-b1c9-67af3f02ee4a X-Archives-Hash: a3de04830edfcf25ff52d10b2f399dfd Andreas Fink wrote: > On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 02:11:18 -0500 > Alan Grimes wrote: > >> I'm jackhammering the system now and I'm getting about 50% error spew > I would suggest a different tool than a jackhammer to fix the problems. Basic assumption: Problems are caused by outdated packages. Underlying problem: In order to break a log-jam it is necessary to purge outdated packages. Facts on the ground: The only way to make ANY progress in updating outdated packages is to jackhammer the hell out of all packages in hopes that some of them might sucessfully update which will, hopefully either: A. allow other packages to sucessfully update B. Expose something that can be fixed. Once the logjam is broken, the system is then --emptytree world'ed and declared healthy... Expected failure rate is on the order of 0.3% of hopefully unimportant packages. It is known that the KDE group of packages has incomplete dependency graph because it is hopelessly convoluted, and it always causes problems and the only way to break through it is the jackhammer approach. LLVM and friends also fails to update when updating within a single slot and this is VERY annoying... What causes me to post to the list is when I get failures that prevent me from even beginning to jackhammer the system. -- Beware of Zombies. =O #EggCrisis #BlackWinter White is the new Kulak. Powers are not rights.