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[217.169.3.230]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d23sm8963470wma.48.2017.12.11.04.39.27 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Dec 2017 04:39:27 -0800 (PST) From: Mick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory? Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 12:39:25 +0000 Message-ID: <8576608.fTLhnHjezo@dell_xps> In-Reply-To: References: <6582741.F9gJHCEsXr@dell_xps> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart12230189.nufPOYNEIr"; micalg="pgp-sha256"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 028c55d7-6af9-47a0-bf8b-28019241c642 X-Archives-Hash: 67e691424b15c9cd7fa77a348c43b7e4 --nextPart12230189.nufPOYNEIr Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Monday, 11 December 2017 11:59:03 GMT Jorge Almeida wrote: > On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s =20 wrote: > > Just my two cents. I will not answer any reply to my little contribution > > to > > this thread; >=20 > Good. I can't remember any intervention from you that I would miss. Of > course, I wouldn't dream of telling people how they should think, nor > would I deny anyone the right to be an activist. >=20 > > Enjoy your echo chamber. >=20 > Thank you for your contribution, Dr. Yes, we know you're a Dr. We know > it because: Crikey! I didn't expect my question to trigger yet another thread of 'syst= emd=20 Vs freedom of choice (non-systemd)' arguments. Dr. Canek has been an advoc= ate=20 of systemd for years now and has posted his views on this topic more than=20 once. He has tried hard to make gentoo users see the light in the superior= ity=20 of systemd and put his arguments across. He has also done a lot of=20 development work to establish systemd in Gentoo. His views are somewhat=20 parochial - only those who (can) code have an influence if not a right to=20 determine the direction of travel - I paraphrase of course. There is truth= in=20 this and anyone can recognise that money can buy developer hours and direct= =20 their development effort. The facts remain that RHL and their employees have shaped the Linux eco-sys= tem=20 to suit their business interests; spinning predictably and reliably thousa= nds=20 of identical VMs in data centres. The MSWindows monolithic stack architect= ure=20 is something they wanted/needed and this is what they developed. The fact also remains that binary distros and other development projects=20 decided to gravitate towards major development areas (cloud and embedded=20 computing) where commercial interest and development demand has been greate= r. =20 Lack of devs and maintainers especially for smaller distros means they deci= ded=20 to ride on the back of systemd and minimise their own development load. Li= nux=20 exists on the desktop too, but this represents a really small percentage of= PC=20 users. Linux desktop users on Gentoo systems is an even smaller number and= I=20 am guessing of an increasingly advanced age demographic. I am grateful that Gentoo has retained openrc and provides a choice for tho= se=20 of us who would prefer to not use systemd. I use systemd on a couple of=20 systems out of necessity/convenience, but I would not like it on my PC=20 systems. If I wanted this opaque Just Works=E2=84=A2 philosophy I would ha= ve stayed=20 with MSWindows or AppleMac, both of which I have used for years and frustra= ted=20 me to hell - well MSWindows definitely does. However, for the majority of = the=20 population these OS remain the best suited choice. So, I think we should l= ive=20 & let live, but as gentoo users at least try to influence gentoo to retain = a=20 freedom of choice most binary distros have walked away from. Just my 2c's. =2D-=20 Regards, Mick --nextPart12230189.nufPOYNEIr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. 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