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From: Stroller <stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 03:03:02 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <853BD56A-3DDF-448B-8D02-B00AA593E3C4@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <498B7026.4000502@gmail.com>


On 5 Feb 2009, at 23:03, Saphirus Sage wrote:
>> ...
>> Man pages are notoriously bad. The gentoo handbook and other official
>> docs are great OTOH.
>>
>
> Man pages notoriously bad?! Now that's a stance I can hardly  
> understand,
> they've always been a godsend in my experience! Just practice using a
> command a few times, look through the options and learn it in the  
> period
> of ten minutes, and a man page has done its purpose. If this stance is
> due to your own inadequate ability to read technical documents, then  
> do
> not apply the lacking to anything but your own capacity for  
> comprehension.

To be fair there is an "art" to reading manpages.

Manpages tend to be terse yet authoritative, but it was only after  
(perhaps) a couple of years of using Unix (and perhaps longer) that I  
learned to appreciate them.

I think manpages tend to assume that the reader is already proficient  
with Unix and often that the reader is familiar with regular  
expressions. They tend to use the academic language of computer  
science which may be completely baffling to someone who is technically  
& logically very competent but self-taught.

My experience is that only after learning the syntax of manpages (is  
that itself documented?) do I find most of them tremendously easy to  
navigate to find the one specific option I'm looking for.

Stroller.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-02-06  3:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 211+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-02-03 22:39 [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" -- huh? Grant Edwards
2009-02-03 22:56 ` Grant
2009-02-03 23:02 ` Norberto Bensa
2009-02-07  9:00   ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2009-02-03 23:03 ` Saphirus Sage
2009-02-04  0:50   ` Dale
2009-02-03 23:06 ` Paul Hartman
2009-02-03 23:13   ` Constantine D. Kardaris
2009-02-04 10:09   ` [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' " Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04 12:42     ` Sebastián Magrí
2009-02-04 13:19       ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-04 14:01         ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-04 16:46           ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-04 17:32         ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04 17:48           ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-04 18:03             ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04 20:24             ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-04 20:37               ` Sebastián Magrí
2009-02-04 21:57                 ` Paul Hartman
2009-02-05  6:07                 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05  7:28                   ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-05  7:37                     ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-05  7:57                       ` Dale
2009-02-05  8:05                         ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-05  8:26                           ` Dale
2009-02-05 10:59                             ` Momesso Andrea
2009-02-05  8:13                       ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05  8:56                         ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-05 15:18                           ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-05 11:01                         ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 11:15                           ` Cocoy Dayao
2009-02-05 13:53                             ` Saphirus Sage
2009-02-05 19:51                               ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-05 20:25                                 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05 21:01                                   ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-05 21:08                                     ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-05 21:29                                   ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-05 11:36                           ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05 12:01                             ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 13:48                               ` Saphirus Sage
2009-02-05 14:04                                 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 19:00                               ` Mike Edenfield
2009-02-05 19:10                                 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 19:31                                   ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05 19:36                                     ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 19:43                                       ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05 19:45                                         ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 20:18                                           ` Mark Knecht
2009-02-05 20:34                                             ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 19:47                                         ` Saphirus Sage
2009-02-05 20:16                                           ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05 19:49                                         ` Joshua D Doll
2009-02-05 20:20                                           ` Mark Knecht
2009-02-05 20:32                                             ` Paul Hartman
2009-02-05 20:38                                               ` Joshua D Doll
2009-02-05 22:16                                                 ` Paul Hartman
2009-02-05 22:30                                                   ` Joshua D Doll
2009-02-05 20:57                                               ` Mark Knecht
2009-02-05 21:44                                                 ` Joshua D Doll
2009-02-05 22:57                                                   ` Dale
2009-02-05 23:03                                                     ` Joshua D Doll
2009-02-05 23:03                                                       ` Saphirus Sage
2009-02-05 23:12                                                         ` Joshua D Doll
2009-02-06  0:54                                                           ` Dale
2009-02-06  0:58                                                             ` Saphirus Sage
2009-02-06  2:45                                                           ` Stroller
2009-02-06  5:48                                                             ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-06  3:03                                                         ` Stroller [this message]
2009-02-06  3:08                                                           ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-06  4:40                                                             ` Stroller
2009-02-06  5:03                                                               ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-06  6:57                                                                 ` Stroller
2009-02-06  7:17                                                                   ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-06  8:55                                                                     ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-06 12:36                                                                       ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-06 12:58                                                                         ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-06 13:04                                                                           ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-06 13:29                                                                           ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-06 13:49                                                                             ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-06 14:27                                                                               ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-06 16:06                                                                                 ` Saphirus Sage
2009-02-06 16:41                                                                                   ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-06 16:40                                                                                     ` Saphirus Sage
2009-02-06 16:51                                                                                       ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-06 21:00                                                                                 ` Harry Putnam
2009-02-06 21:08                                                                                   ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-06 21:30                                                                                     ` Harry Putnam
2009-02-06 21:37                                                                                       ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-06 23:28                                                                                         ` Harry Putnam
2009-02-07  7:53                                                                                           ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-07 18:55                                                                                             ` Harry Putnam
2009-02-07  9:57                                                                                     ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-07 18:13                                                                                   ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-07 18:40                                                                                     ` Harry Putnam
2009-02-07 19:08                                                                                       ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-08  0:42                                                                                         ` Harry Putnam
2009-02-08  0:57                                                                                           ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-08 13:32                                                                                             ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-08 14:41                                                                                               ` Graham Murray
2009-02-08 14:59                                                                                                 ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-06 14:19                                                                             ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-06 15:36                                                                             ` Stroller
2009-02-06 14:25                                                                         ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-06 14:25                                                                       ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-07  9:52                                                                         ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-07 11:48                                                                           ` Saphirus Sage
2009-02-07 12:11                                                                             ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-06  5:46                                                               ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-06  8:57                                                                 ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-06  9:11                                                                   ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-06  9:23                                                                     ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-05 22:53                                             ` Dale
2009-02-06  7:41                                           ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05 22:10                                         ` momesso.andrea
2009-02-05 20:03                                 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-05 20:12                                   ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-13 10:04                                     ` Joost Roeleveld
2009-02-06  9:02                                 ` Christopher Walters
2009-02-06 12:41                                   ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-06 19:58                                     ` Christopher Walters
2009-02-06 20:03                                       ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 12:21                             ` Dirk Uys
2009-02-05 15:23                               ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-05 15:32                                 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 19:56                                 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-05 12:45                             ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-05 19:44                             ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-05  7:48                     ` Dale
2009-02-05  8:11                     ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05  8:50                       ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-06 21:27                       ` Sebastian Günther
2009-02-06 21:36                         ` Dirk Heinrichs
2009-02-06 21:38                           ` Harry Putnam
2009-02-06 21:48                             ` Mark Knecht
2009-02-06 22:42                             ` Roy Wright
2009-02-06 22:55                               ` Dale
2009-02-07  7:17                                 ` Sebastian Günther
2009-02-07  7:43                                   ` Dale
2009-02-07  9:47                                   ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-07 18:27                                 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-07 18:37                                   ` Dale
2009-02-07 19:02                                     ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-07 19:09                                       ` Dale
2009-02-07 19:23                                         ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-07 13:53                         ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-07 16:20                           ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-07 17:23                             ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-07 17:29                               ` James Homuth
2009-02-07 19:43                                 ` Sebastian Günther
2009-02-07 21:42                                   ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-08  8:54                                     ` Sebastian Günther
2009-02-08 15:40                                       ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-07 19:38                               ` Sebastian Günther
2009-02-07 17:28                             ` Dale
2009-02-05  7:41                   ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05  8:29                     ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05  8:46                       ` Joshua Murphy
2009-02-05 11:04                       ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 20:36                         ` kashani
2009-02-03 23:08 ` [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" " Yannick Mortier
2009-02-03 23:10 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-03 23:20 ` kashani
2009-02-03 23:48 ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-04  6:58   ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-04  7:27     ` Christopher Walters
2009-02-04  7:39       ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-04 10:32         ` [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' " Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04 15:25           ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-04 15:41             ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-04 16:19               ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-04 16:48                 ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-04 17:54                 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04 17:38             ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04 13:03     ` [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" " Momesso Andrea
2009-02-04 13:15       ` Sebastián Magrí
2009-02-04 13:31         ` Momesso Andrea
2009-02-04 13:56           ` Sebastián Magrí
2009-02-04 15:39             ` [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for yoursystem" " Prado, Renato (R.P.)
2009-02-04 15:45               ` Yannick Mortier
     [not found]               ` <2F1868733128B647A5383526F5DF600401A91E25@VNAMBV03.vistcorp.ad.visteon .com>
2009-02-04 17:43                 ` [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for yoursystem' " Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04 17:55                   ` Prado, Renato (R.P.)
2009-02-04 13:59           ` [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" " Alan McKinnon
2009-02-04 16:55             ` Momesso Andrea
2009-02-04 20:40               ` Alan McKinnon
2009-02-04 14:06           ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-04 16:33       ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 10:12   ` Steven Lembark
2009-02-05 10:22     ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05 12:48       ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-05 10:47     ` Dirk Uys
2009-02-05 15:26     ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-05 15:52       ` Neil Bothwick
2009-02-04  3:38 ` James
2009-02-04  6:17   ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-04  6:22     ` Paul Hartman
2009-02-04 15:23       ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-04 16:07       ` James
2009-02-04 16:19         ` Hazen Valliant-Saunders
2009-02-04 16:52           ` James
2009-02-04 16:20         ` Grant Edwards
2009-02-04 19:27         ` Paul Hartman
2009-02-04 10:26     ` [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' " Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04  9:58 ` [gentoo-user] " Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04 10:08   ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-04 10:34     ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-02-04 18:43 ` [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" " pk
2009-02-05 10:08 ` Steven Lembark
2009-02-05 14:43 ` Stroller
2009-02-05 18:18   ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2009-02-05 18:50     ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-02-05 18:52     ` Mark Knecht

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