From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LUUI0-0001st-Mb for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 23:02:44 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 42E15E064C; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 23:02:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.157]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F14E064C for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 23:02:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so858486ywm.46 for ; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:02:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8mZCk7rrtgULJ3ABGWf2ryAckyPzGj/ndtbl4e0O7/o=; b=sCFtaF1+e/MLcSYqhvRyUsGwPXpeHDaBhG1sPCd8VFmDT0zvbFX1UonWDyHiPF2go8 9+2uXwyo2K7LltS1uPUZwJ1b6WzhbZlOcl/Hrd0i07W7mmZDPxRyjxKJlFFXWQqs95VR JLeUCVmztQ2f9wa2szo/dSjMtJIz8uVsaKNT8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=AH6IRuQeJzIzuA/sfTfnUWmvpdoq+rixLw5A79j2H/XlIE1iLcuMz8iBIJHRaND4j4 51GrSXZQI3VIkyn1/p28yR7y5c2NwjlSmRn85rMpj5LLyb6JBc9w/NkQSJs69KDwL+cY JY4s8prJY4hJadgzQd6UewT5CaPBOtkKwjO34= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.164.20 with SMTP id m20mr902386ane.97.1233702162512; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:02:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 21:02:42 -0200 Message-ID: <84250c9c0902031502h64da10a7ubcc55c8557df93b6@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" -- huh? From: Norberto Bensa To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: ad9b3245-5e99-41ed-88b5-a0d02834e4f3 X-Archives-Hash: 6eb78c3b2943f64451edbf26c13d54c6 On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: > AFAICT, the "performance" benefit due to compiler optimization > is practically nil in real-world usage. It used to make a difference, but not anymore with today microprocessors. > In my experience the huge benefit of source-based distros such > as Gentoo is elimination of the library dependency-hell that > mires other binary-based distros. maybe redhat had that problem, but others (debian based distros for example) doesn't have dep hell AFAICS (I run Debian and Ubuntu based servers and desktops) > The second benefit is that with Gentoo, upgrading a system > actually works over the long-run. With RedHat/Mandrake, things > would gradually deteriorate to the point where the system was > unmaintainable, Same point. Maybe only a problem with RH. > The third main benefit I've seen is that there are vastly more > packages available for Gentoo. Hm.. Depends on what packages you're interested. You have no commercial support if you run Gentoo from -for example- VMware. > Putting together and > maintaining an ebuild appears to take a lot less work than > putting together and maintaining a binary RPM package. Maybe. I haven't tried to make a RPM package, but I tried DEB. It's almost as easy as with Gentoo. > Are the real benefits of Gentoo too hard to explain to the > unwashed masses, so instead they're told the fairy tale about > imporoved performance? Gentoo has -from my point of view- only one benefit: if you're a developer, you'll love Gentoo as every dev-dependency is already installed. Other than that, I see none. Now, if Gentoo devs could be as kind as -for example- Ubuntu devs, that would rock. But they aren,t and so -after 7 years- I'm looking for another distro to migrate to. Kubuntu is one of my favorites. I'm testing Fedora and openSuSE. Who will win? Gentoo just doesn't make sense anymore for me - unless you're a masochist :)