From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E2E51389F5 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:36:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F9A321C078; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF5BE21C04D for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:36:02 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,655,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="634732" Received: from 213-152-39-89.dsl.eclipse.net.uk (HELO compaq.stroller.uk.eu.org) ([213.152.39.89]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 13 Feb 2013 11:36:02 +0000 Received: from [192.168.11.4] (unknown [192.168.11.4]) by compaq.stroller.uk.eu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76FDE1269A for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:35:18 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] systemd-197-r1 starts gdm-3.6.2 [now gnome3] From: Stroller In-Reply-To: <511B6D6A.2020409@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:36:00 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <83784AD7-77A0-472A-B594-17B8FB525DED@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> References: <5109521C.3030207@xunil.at> <20130130173615.GA10408@BIFROST.zedat.fu-berlin.de> <51095D00.2040100@xunil.at> <511B072B.5030106@gmail.com> <511B6D6A.2020409@gmail.com> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Archives-Salt: a5052091-4ded-4d4f-a59a-1044147a2032 X-Archives-Hash: 88ba39482ae07bcdda08228dffb69363 On 13 February 2013, at 10:39, Alan McKinnon wrote: > =85=20 > I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade, but I really do not see the > point of Gnome3 at all. It has no identity of its own =85=20 >=20 > So what's the point of Gnome3? >=20 > If people like the Unity-ish bits, they should run Unity. Same with = the > KDE and MacOS bits. Politics? You know the history between Ubuntu / Unity and Gnome, don't you? AIUI Ubuntu did a huge set of patches to Gnome to provide notifications, = and they were rejected. AIUI there was a big thing between Shuttleworth and some of the Gnome = devs, with Shuttleworth saying that the patches were discussed with = Gnome devs; Shuttleworth claimed they'd followed the Gnome devs' = advisement, agreed the best way forward and notifications (and their = API) had been implemented on the understanding they'd likely be = accepted. However it was a couple of different Gnome devs that claimed = responsibility for this area, and that they'd decided to do things = differently, and that basically Ubuntu's work was an unwelcome code dump = - thanks, but no thanks. Thus Ubuntu made Unity, and Gnome carried on with doing it their way. There were a couple of really long articles on Shuttleworth's blog about = this at the time. They're actually really interesting reading, if you've = got the time for an epic, an insight into the politics or "society" of = OSS development. The impression I got was that there was some upset, but = actually no-one had deceived anyone or stitched anyone else up, it was = just a misunderstanding (or series of misunderstandings) due to the = nature of the relationships / hierarchies involved in the two = development groups. But I think Shuttleworth was a bit aggrieved and = felt the only way to get what he wanted was to develop Unity in house, = and Gnome wasn't going to stop what it was doing just because Ubuntu = were doing something similar-but-different. Stroller.