From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 067E6158086 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2021 09:47:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B8173E08F3; Sat, 6 Nov 2021 09:47:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from icp-osb-irony-out6.external.iinet.net.au (icp-osb-irony-out6.external.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.106]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B090DE08BF for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2021 09:47:42 +0000 (UTC) IronPort-SDR: NTGgJ1EGvvyhAgb2Q+Klb574iDtfNxG/WpIM1nrOfyy1Mw1OUqk6KrqRg/VREDe+EYv3dlfzyS o2l7k+7eOeq/14dZfnDetVWdoMnuOS7Y4oNEeGjcQlRbFflKqxyM6HldgfxF6quQUjdrCth52W 0eXoIcgOo9OhIGsbB9e3u/rNxjBRHEAn9rFRj1f8BXUSERFEVaMCOy5uo5DW5QRQvcP6EgsCDU eE+cQG6K0rL9QJU0ySrFaol5RXgZQrDXf24lR2f75rJsbwhCK663+37+7rbS4QLlbqXumab9R1 3X8= X-SMTP-MATCH: 0 X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2AVCwAaToZh/yFd69xaFgYBAQEBAQEHAQESAQEEBAEBQ?= =?us-ascii?q?AmBUIMhVgEBAWmER4kDh2AuAzgBhBCGRpMdCwEBAQEBAQEBAQk3CgQBAYUCA?= =?us-ascii?q?oJUJjgTAQIEAQEBAQMCAwEBBwEBAQUBAQEBAQEFAwGBJIUvOQ2GQwEFIwQLA?= =?us-ascii?q?SMUHwsYAgImAgJXEwgBARuCUgGCYSUQqQ4aNXp/MoEBg04BgRqFD4EQKoRJi?= =?us-ascii?q?VRDfYEQgRUnD4FzgQE+gmMEGIEdCwaDMIJlBI8bAQYGgQMCJgoGFAwCCiMBM?= =?us-ascii?q?AUMNCUZRQIeD5IPjm+dP4NCik6UGwYPBS2DbIFJkDsIL5EBk0KCTox0R5NHh?= =?us-ascii?q?SqBPzmBfU0fGTuCaQlIGQ+SEoEBg1iGEjQBAQEwOAIGAQoBAQMJji+CRgEB?= IronPort-Data: A9a23:1N4+iK59cWVyIrfhE7oSowxRtH3GchMFZxGqfqrLsTDasY5as4F+v mcdXGiBaa3eN2qnctwjaY6y904PvMWAzoAxT1Zo+C48QypB88GbVNrIJxuoYSjNcpOYERs7s Z4VMoOcdpg4E3SA/0f8ObXIkyJxhPqCLlbe5E4oGczQqStMEnpJZcdLwrZh6mJQbFnQ7zql4 bsemeWGULOe82MyYj18B56r8ks15a2r4G1A5DTSWNgS1LPgvyhNZH4gDfzpR5fIatE88jmSH rurIBmRpws1zj91Yj+Xuu+Tnn4iG9Y+CTOzZk9+AMBOtPTjShsaic7XPNJEAateo2nSxYgpk L2hv7ToIesiFvWkdOg1D0ICS3kmVUFL0OevHJSxjSCc53DtQSCz2q9FMFMRJqw+yMdJA1Bw/ 8VNfVjhbjjb7w636LeyS+0qh8ItNsCtOIQUs3VsyjTQDPBOrZLrGf+So4UDgXFh3YYVRp4yZ OJAAdZrRB7BZxlMElYWDp8i2uGlmj/2blW0rXrO/vtvujGCllAZPL7FbuONVsWWROBpg0efh UTWxGDXAwwiK4nKodaC2jf27gPVpgv0VYQOE7r96+VnmnWXx3cPE1sZWF2npv7/jVSxM++zM GROoHJr9/NvsR3wC4KmGRGppjiFvxgRR5xWHvF84RzlJrfo3jt1z1MsFlZpAOHKfudvLdD2/ jdlR+/UOAE= IronPort-HdrOrdr: A9a23:Mmbzaa/lWmxvkAyF331uk+AaI+orL9Y04lQ7vn2Y6XduA6ilfq GV7Y4mPHrP4wr5N0tLpTn+Atj8fZqxz/JICad4B8bEYOF/01HYVL2LB+PZskTd8lTFh4hgPM RbAtND4b/LY2SS1vyKhTVQeuxIqOVvm5rGuQ6x9RpQpY0GUdAD0+4AMGem+i0dfngkOXMxLu vh2uN34yOgYFEWdNn+GXUfRejEoLTw9K7bXQ== X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.87,214,1631548800"; d="scan'208";a="339011924" Received: from 220-235-93-33.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO mail.infra.localdomain) ([220.235.93.33]) by icp-osb-irony-out6.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 06 Nov 2021 17:47:40 +0800 Received: from localhost (mail.infra.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.infra.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF547108D for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2021 17:47:39 +0800 (AWST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at localdomain Received: from mail.infra.localdomain ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.infra.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FYv6jgdeyJRc for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2021 17:47:31 +0800 (AWST) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Ethernet card for puter To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <53d5e8b1-2b73-4e38-9f22-839b62728332@gmail.com> From: William Kenworthy Message-ID: <8290b2d0-2ae8-82f0-457b-3614e2419dc3@iinet.net.au> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2021 17:47:30 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.13.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-AU X-Archives-Salt: 99221808-079d-4351-ba40-45488c6edaf8 X-Archives-Hash: d1f200d897fabe0647f45e1f78e75e95 In reality, today there seems to be little to choose from between ethernet cards for the average user - wasn't always the case though.  I have a number of usb-<->ethernet plugins and pcicards.  Some are bonded (mix of usb and pci) and are mostly realtek though there is an intel or two.  I am using a usb2->ethernet to the fibre based internet (1Gb AU NBN) without any speed problems.  Note there is a linux kernel driver bug in an odd combination of realtek and usb2 for some versions which cuts throughput by ~1/3 unless patched - the dongles themselves are fine.  Currently, with the covid supply chain issues its more a problem just getting "something" :) BillK 1000/50 over usb2 realtek ~17.44pm - at other times its usually a little better. moriah ~ # speedtest Retrieving speedtest.net configuration... Testing from iiNet Limited (nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn)... Retrieving speedtest.net server list... Selecting best server based on ping... Hosted by Internode (Perth) [1.07 km]: 2.796 ms Testing download speed................................................................................ Download: 929.99 Mbit/s Testing upload speed...................................................................................................... Upload: 45.82 Mbit/s moriah ~ # On 6/11/21 4:13 pm, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > Am Fri, Nov 05, 2021 at 08:03:32PM -0500 schrieb Dale: >> Manuel McLure wrote: >>> I highly recommend getting an Intel card. Back in the day the e1000 >>> cards were the ones to get, >>> nowadays https://www.newegg.com/intel-expi9301ctblk/p/N82E16833106033 >>> should be a good option for a single port card. Intel cards have been >>> well supported in Linux for a long time. > I have no idea how you came across that one first. Network cards are a > commodity and start in the single-Euro (so probably also dollar) range these > days. Intel cards start in the 20–30 range: > https://geizhals.eu/?cat=nwpcie&sort=p&xf=14063_Intel%7E14065_LAN-Adapter%7E14066_PCIe-Karte > >> I was looking at the mobo manual and noticed the built in network port >> is a 1Gb chip as well.  It is a Realtec and the last time I tried to use >> it, it was a bit flakey.  Sometimes it would work but sometimes I'd have >> to restart the network to get it going again.  That was about a decade >> ago. > My PC is over 7 years old now and I’ve always been unsing its internal > ethernet port. Most consumer boards use Realtek chips, and so does mine, > because they are a little cheaper than Intel’s counterparts. Enthusiasts and > power users like Intel more because it does more in hardware and offers more > features, whereas the realtek driver puts some load on the CPU, AFAIK. But > in my view, that is counting crumbs, as we say in Germany. I’ve never had > bandwidth problems and always had the full 1 Gb to my NAS. For us normal > home user folk, it won’t make a difference, IMHO. (Except if you are a > purist and care about code quality; I think there were niggles with > Realtek’s code a longer while back.) > >> I wonder, is the drivers better today than they were then?  I would have >> used it all this time if it worked well.  Anyone have experience with this >> in the last year or so that is showing it working really well and stable?  >> Keep in mind, I run 24/7 here.  If that works fine, I could just use it.  >> lspci shows this for the on board network: >> >> Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit >> Ethernet Controller (rev 06) > That’s the one veryone uses. I actually have two of those installed; one > one-board, the other one as a PCIe card that I got from my old employer. > >> I have 2 PCIex1 and one PCIex 4 slots open.  The small ones are close to >> my video card and I'm not sure I can use them. > Sure you can. Are you a hardcore gamer? Does your card consume 100s of W all > the time? Usually the GPU is the top-most card except for cases that hold > the board upside-down (meaning hot air rises away). > >> Can I plug these types of cards into the larger slots? > Yes. Speeds are downward-compatible. One PCIe 2.0 lane is fast enough for 1 > Gb. > >> I think I read once that can be done.  It's been ages tho. My old network >> card appears to be in a old PCI plain slot.  It's a really old card, works >> faithfully tho.  > If you change the filter in the link I gave you at the top, you can also > look for PCI-based cards (unselect PCIe first). It’s possible that PCIe, > though a faster interface, may be more frugal these days. When PCI was > invented, power saving was not an issue. > >> This may require some rearranging.  Or using the on board network one.  >> I'd really prefer the card tho.  They just tend to work better. > Why should they? A hunch? The only real benefit is you can easliy swap them > in case of failure. But as long as you have it and it works – why not give > it a try with what you have before you spend more for something you may not > even need? >