* [gentoo-user] pam fixed now it's tcpdump
@ 2008-01-30 7:40 maxim wexler
2008-01-30 9:30 ` Alan McKinnon
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: maxim wexler @ 2008-01-30 7:40 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Hi group,
The gentoo pam-0.99 update guide says something like
"it's safe to remove /etc/pam.d/*". It should say "you
_must_ remove /etc/pam.d/*". So that hurdle was
cleared
emerge -uD world continued then this:
<...>
groupadd: PAM authentication failed
*
* ERROR: net-analyzer/tcpdump-3.9.8 failed.
* Call stack:
* ebuild.sh, line 1717: Called
dyn_preinst
* ebuild.sh, line 1156: Called
pkg_preinst
* tcpdump-3.9.8.ebuild, line 67: Called
enewgroup 'tcpdump'
* eutils.eclass, line 707: Called die
* The specific snippet of code:
* groupadd ${opts} ${egroup} || die
"enewgroup failed"
* The die message:
* enewgroup failed
*
* If you need support, post the topmost build error,
and the call stack if relevant.
* A complete build log is located at
'/var/log/portage/net-analyzer:tcpdump-3.9.8:20080130-072451.log'.
*
!!! FAILED preinst: 1
google was not forthcoming. I added
'net-analyzer/tcpdump ~x86' to package.keywords but
that didn't help.
Any ideas?
Maxim
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* Re: [gentoo-user] pam fixed now it's tcpdump
2008-01-30 7:40 [gentoo-user] pam fixed now it's tcpdump maxim wexler
@ 2008-01-30 9:30 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-30 17:15 ` maxim wexler
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From: Alan McKinnon @ 2008-01-30 9:30 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Wednesday 30 January 2008, maxim wexler wrote:
> *
> * ERROR: net-analyzer/tcpdump-3.9.8 failed.
> * Call stack:
> * ebuild.sh, line 1717: Called
> dyn_preinst
> * ebuild.sh, line 1156: Called
> pkg_preinst
> * tcpdump-3.9.8.ebuild, line 67: Called
> enewgroup 'tcpdump'
> * eutils.eclass, line 707: Called die
> * The specific snippet of code:
> * groupadd ${opts} ${egroup} || die
> "enewgroup failed"
> * The die message:
> * enewgroup failed
> *
> * If you need support, post the topmost build error,
> and the call stack if relevant.
> * A complete build log is located at
> '/var/log/portage/net-analyzer:tcpdump-3.9.8:20080130-072451.log'.
> *
> !!! FAILED preinst: 1
>
> google was not forthcoming. I added
> 'net-analyzer/tcpdump ~x86' to package.keywords but
> that didn't help.
Did you log out and back in again first?
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* Re: [gentoo-user] pam fixed now it's tcpdump
2008-01-30 9:30 ` Alan McKinnon
@ 2008-01-30 17:15 ` maxim wexler
2008-01-30 17:25 ` Hal Martin
2008-01-30 17:36 ` Alan McKinnon
0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: maxim wexler @ 2008-01-30 17:15 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
>
> Did you log out and back in again first?
Well, I just did and now I can't log back on. I enter
my user name, hit enter and it doesn't even ask for my
password, just says login incorrect, repeats that two
times and says my three chances are up.
PAM was emerged but maybe it wasn't activated, or is
that supposed to be automatic?
I'll have to chroot back into gentoo but after that I
don't have a clue.
Reporting via an XP box.
mw
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* Re: [gentoo-user] pam fixed now it's tcpdump
2008-01-30 17:15 ` maxim wexler
@ 2008-01-30 17:25 ` Hal Martin
2008-01-30 22:44 ` maxim wexler
2008-01-30 17:36 ` Alan McKinnon
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From: Hal Martin @ 2008-01-30 17:25 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Re-emerge shadow and you should be able to login.
After that you'll need to reinstall services like sshd that have files
in /etc/pam.d/
-Hal
maxim wexler wrote:
>> Did you log out and back in again first?
>>
>
> Well, I just did and now I can't log back on. I enter
> my user name, hit enter and it doesn't even ask for my
> password, just says login incorrect, repeats that two
> times and says my three chances are up.
>
> PAM was emerged but maybe it wasn't activated, or is
> that supposed to be automatic?
>
> I'll have to chroot back into gentoo but after that I
> don't have a clue.
>
> Reporting via an XP box.
>
> mw
>
>
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* Re: [gentoo-user] pam fixed now it's tcpdump
2008-01-30 17:15 ` maxim wexler
2008-01-30 17:25 ` Hal Martin
@ 2008-01-30 17:36 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-30 21:39 ` maxim wexler
1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Alan McKinnon @ 2008-01-30 17:36 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Wednesday 30 January 2008, maxim wexler wrote:
> > Did you log out and back in again first?
>
> Well, I just did and now I can't log back on. I enter
> my user name, hit enter and it doesn't even ask for my
> password, just says login incorrect, repeats that two
> times and says my three chances are up.
>
> PAM was emerged but maybe it wasn't activated, or is
> that supposed to be automatic?
>
> I'll have to chroot back into gentoo but after that I
> don't have a clue.
Well, the docs page on the upgrade to pam-0.99 is complete, I updated
severala machines no problem with it. So you must have muffed the
instructions. Next time, read the whole page.
Meanwhile, boot off a LiveCD or some other medium. or maintenance mode,
chroot into gentoo and find all packages that depend on pam:
equery depends pam
or maybe
euse -i pam
then re-emerge all those packages. Don't think that revdep-rebuild will
fix this for you, it probably won't as it's not a linking issue you
have.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] pam fixed now it's tcpdump
2008-01-30 17:36 ` Alan McKinnon
@ 2008-01-30 21:39 ` maxim wexler
2008-01-30 23:09 ` Alan McKinnon
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From: maxim wexler @ 2008-01-30 21:39 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
--- Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, the docs page on the upgrade to pam-0.99 is
> complete, I updated
> severala machines no problem with it. So you must
> have muffed the
> instructions. Next time, read the whole page.
While I was waiting I went back to the page and
decided I should probably emerge pam_chroot.
pam_userdb didn't seem to involve me so I left it
alone. Other than that I couldn't see what else
applied to my case except for the suggestion that
some, unamed, file should be edited. I notice that
since I apparently overleapt the main pam hurdle
/etc/pam.d has a new system-auth file in it. Must be
on the right track cause it didn't complain about
pam-0.99 when pam_chroot was emerged. Then I made
detour and updated a bunch of /etc files that had
popped up after having started the massive update. I
must have missed modprobe cause when I booted again a
boot warning flashed by, "warning modprobe.conf not
generated". Then it got to login where I was again not
allowed access. Does that have something to do with
modprobe.conf? PAM? Both?
> Meanwhile, boot off a LiveCD or some other medium.
> or maintenance mode,
> chroot into gentoo and find all packages that depend
> on pam:
>
> equery depends pam
AttributeError: Package instance has no attribute
'get_postmerge_deps'
> or maybe
> euse -i pam
no matching entries found
As for modprobe, I just chrooted again and ran
update-modules. I forgot to add -v on the first pass,
so I did it again with -v and it's telling me
*Skipping /etc/modules.conf generation(prerequisites
not satisfied
*Skipping /etc/modprobe.conf generation (file is newer
than dependencies)
* The dir '/lib/modules/2.6.15-gentoo-r5/modules.dep'
does not exist, skipping call to depmod
So this is wierd: according to ls -l
/etc/modprobe.conf was just written.
Or is it because the PC is in a chrooted environment
and uses a different set of modules?
-mw
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* Re: [gentoo-user] pam fixed now it's tcpdump
2008-01-30 17:25 ` Hal Martin
@ 2008-01-30 22:44 ` maxim wexler
2008-01-30 22:56 ` Alan McKinnon
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: maxim wexler @ 2008-01-30 22:44 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
--- Hal Martin <hal.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
> Re-emerge shadow and you should be able to login.
Yup, thanks!
> After that you'll need to reinstall services like
> sshd that have files
> in /etc/pam.d/
they seem to have started
But now, startx fails:
/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc: line 45: startkde: command not
found
But all the /etc/X11 files are unchanged.
I tried to run fvwm:
ERROR: can't open display
The appropriate modules are loaded.
-mw
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* Re: [gentoo-user] pam fixed now it's tcpdump
2008-01-30 22:44 ` maxim wexler
@ 2008-01-30 22:56 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-31 19:49 ` maxim wexler
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From: Alan McKinnon @ 2008-01-30 22:56 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Thursday 31 January 2008, maxim wexler wrote:
> But now, startx fails:
>
> /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc: line 45: startkde: command not
> found
startkde is not in your $PATH. It's normal location is
/usr/kde/3.5/bin/startkde
Either use an explicit full path to the binary or update your PATH
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* Re: [gentoo-user] pam fixed now it's tcpdump
2008-01-30 21:39 ` maxim wexler
@ 2008-01-30 23:09 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-31 20:02 ` maxim wexler
2008-02-01 1:45 ` maxim wexler
0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Alan McKinnon @ 2008-01-30 23:09 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Wednesday 30 January 2008, maxim wexler wrote:
> --- Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Well, the docs page on the upgrade to pam-0.99 is
> > complete, I updated
> > severala machines no problem with it. So you must
> > have muffed the
> > instructions. Next time, read the whole page.
>
> While I was waiting I went back to the page and
> decided I should probably emerge pam_chroot.
> pam_userdb didn't seem to involve me so I left it
> alone. Other than that I couldn't see what else
> applied to my case except for the suggestion that
> some, unamed, file should be edited. I notice that
> since I apparently overleapt the main pam hurdle
> /etc/pam.d has a new system-auth file in it. Must be
> on the right track cause it didn't complain about
> pam-0.99 when pam_chroot was emerged.
FWIW, I have a stock standard workstation system pam-wise. I hanged no
files from the default, it all works and upgrades were seamless. Here's
the pam modules I have:
nazgul / # eix ^pam | grep sys-auth
* sys-auth/pam-afs-session
* sys-auth/pam_abl
* sys-auth/pam_bioapi
* sys-auth/pam_chroot
* sys-auth/pam_dotfile
* sys-auth/pam_keyring
* sys-auth/pam_krb5
* sys-auth/pam_ldap
* sys-auth/pam_mktemp
* sys-auth/pam_mount
* sys-auth/pam_mysql
* sys-auth/pam_p11
* sys-auth/pam_passwdqc
* sys-auth/pam_pkcs11
* sys-auth/pam_pwdfile
* sys-auth/pam_require
* sys-auth/pam_sha512
* sys-auth/pam_skey
* sys-auth/pam_smb
* sys-auth/pam_ssh
* sys-auth/pam_ssh_agent
* sys-auth/pam_usb
* sys-auth/pam_userdb
* sys-auth/pam_blue [1]
* sys-auth/pam_pgsql [1]
* sys-auth/pam_sotp [1]
and my /etc/pam.d/
nazgul / # ls -al /etc/pam.d
total 146
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1072 2008-01-18 21:49 .
drwxr-xr-x 92 root root 5464 2008-01-29 23:56 ..
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 152 2007-11-09 19:03 chage
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 152 2007-11-09 19:03 chfn
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 103 2007-11-09 19:03 chgpasswd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 152 2007-11-09 19:03 chpasswd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 152 2007-11-09 19:03 chsh
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 123 2007-11-02 12:59 cron
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 113 2008-01-18 21:42 cups
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 106 2007-11-05 15:21 cvs
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 223 2008-01-07 23:05 entrance
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 152 2007-11-09 19:03 groupadd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 152 2007-11-09 19:03 groupdel
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 103 2007-11-09 19:03 groupmems
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 152 2007-11-09 19:03 groupmod
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 362 2007-11-02 12:57 imap
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2007-11-02 12:57 imap4 -> /etc/pam.d/imap
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2007-11-02 12:57 imap4s -> /etc/pam.d/imap
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2007-11-02 12:57 imaps -> /etc/pam.d/imap
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 197 2007-11-05 07:17 kde
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 196 2007-11-05 07:17 kde-np
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 563 2007-11-09 19:03 login
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 152 2007-11-09 19:03 newusers
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 139 2007-11-14 11:58 other
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 104 2007-11-09 19:03 passwd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 362 2007-11-02 12:57 pop
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2007-11-02 12:57 pop3 -> /etc/pam.d/pop
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2007-11-02 12:57 pop3s -> /etc/pam.d/pop
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2007-11-02 12:57 pops -> /etc/pam.d/pop
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 183 2007-11-02 12:58 ppp
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 397 2008-01-18 21:48 samba
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 160 2008-01-18 21:30 saslauthd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 84 2007-11-05 18:32 screen
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 152 2007-11-09 19:03 shadow
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 205 2008-01-18 21:21 sshd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1059 2007-11-09 19:03 su
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 172 2008-01-18 21:25 sudo
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 447 2007-11-14 11:58 system-auth
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 152 2007-11-09 19:03 useradd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 152 2007-11-09 19:03 userdel
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 152 2007-11-09 19:03 usermod
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 218 2008-01-16 09:24 vmware-guestd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 125 2008-01-14 21:38 xserver
WorksForMe <shrug>
> Then I made
> detour and updated a bunch of /etc files that had
> popped up after having started the massive update. I
> must have missed modprobe cause when I booted again a
> boot warning flashed by, "warning modprobe.conf not
> generated". Then it got to login where I was again not
> allowed access. Does that have something to do with
> modprobe.conf? PAM? Both?
Not related that I can see. modprobe.conf not being updated is a
separate issue, solved by running modules-update in an existing root
shell
> > Meanwhile, boot off a LiveCD or some other medium.
> > or maintenance mode,
> > chroot into gentoo and find all packages that depend
> > on pam:
> >
> > equery depends pam
>
> AttributeError: Package instance has no attribute
> 'get_postmerge_deps'
>
> > or maybe
> > euse -i pam
>
> no matching entries found
>
> As for modprobe, I just chrooted again and ran
> update-modules. I forgot to add -v on the first pass,
> so I did it again with -v and it's telling me
>
> *Skipping /etc/modules.conf generation(prerequisites
> not satisfied
> *Skipping /etc/modprobe.conf generation (file is newer
> than dependencies)
> * The dir '/lib/modules/2.6.15-gentoo-r5/modules.dep'
> does not exist, skipping call to depmod
>
> So this is wierd: according to ls -l
> /etc/modprobe.conf was just written.
The mtime does not mean that the file was not written.
I'd be more worried why you don't have
a /lib/modules/2.6.15-gentoo-r5/modules.dep.
Look into your /etc/modules.d/ and modprobe.conf and see what's there.
> Or is it because the PC is in a chrooted environment
> and uses a different set of modules?
No, chroot uses the running kernel. It's not a virtualised environment.
Maxim, I've been watching your posts for a while now, and most times
it's because you made some blunder that is quite elementary and that
you really should know. Your problem seems to be a lack of
understanding of how Unix works.
You really really need to start reading documentation. Your gentoo life
will go much easier when you do.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] pam fixed now it's tcpdump
2008-01-30 22:56 ` Alan McKinnon
@ 2008-01-31 19:49 ` maxim wexler
2008-01-31 21:44 ` Alan McKinnon
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: maxim wexler @ 2008-01-31 19:49 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
--- Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> startkde is not in your $PATH. It's normal location
> is
>
> /usr/kde/3.5/bin/startkde
>
> Either use an explicit full path to the binary or
> update your PATH
Actually, startkde doe not exist on my machine.
Probably cause I'm in the midst of upgrading kde via
-uD world and having a rough time of it ;(
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* Re: [gentoo-user] pam fixed now it's tcpdump
2008-01-30 23:09 ` Alan McKinnon
@ 2008-01-31 20:02 ` maxim wexler
2008-01-31 21:46 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-02-01 1:45 ` maxim wexler
1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: maxim wexler @ 2008-01-31 20:02 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
> I'd be more worried why you don't have
> a /lib/modules/2.6.15-gentoo-r5/modules.dep.
never have
$ls /lib/modules
2.6.12-gentoo-r6 2.6.16-gentoo-r3 2.6.20-gentoo-r6
>
> Look into your /etc/modules.d/ and modprobe.conf and
> see what's there.
it's fixed
> Maxim, I've been watching your posts for a while
> now, and most times
Thanks, glad to know someone is reading em
>
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* Re: [gentoo-user] pam fixed now it's tcpdump
2008-01-31 19:49 ` maxim wexler
@ 2008-01-31 21:44 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-02-01 10:35 ` Peter Humphrey
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From: Alan McKinnon @ 2008-01-31 21:44 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Thursday 31 January 2008, maxim wexler wrote:
> --- Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> > startkde is not in your $PATH. It's normal location
> > is
> >
> > /usr/kde/3.5/bin/startkde
> >
> > Either use an explicit full path to the binary or
> > update your PATH
>
> Actually, startkde doe not exist on my machine.
> Probably cause I'm in the midst of upgrading kde via
> -uD world and having a rough time of it ;(
It's installed by kdebase-startkde
I you use the -meta kde packages, get it by emerging kdebase-meta (I
can't think of a reason why anyone wouldn't want all of kdebase so
there's no need to emerge startkde explicitly)
If you use the monolithic kde packages then emerge kdebase.
If you want all of kde, then emerge kdebase or kdebase-meta as
appropriate and when it's done, startkde will be present
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* Re: [gentoo-user] pam fixed now it's tcpdump
2008-01-31 20:02 ` maxim wexler
@ 2008-01-31 21:46 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-02-01 2:11 ` maxim wexler
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Alan McKinnon @ 2008-01-31 21:46 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Thursday 31 January 2008, maxim wexler wrote:
> > Look into your /etc/modules.d/ and modprobe.conf and
> > see what's there.
>
> it's fixed
Well that's good news. Looks like we are getting there. Slowly, but
getting there.
If it's any consolation, I knwo what this feels like. I too have done
emerge world on a box that hadn't seen the internet for almost a year.
That was painful too :-)
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* Re: [gentoo-user] pam fixed now it's tcpdump
2008-01-30 23:09 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-31 20:02 ` maxim wexler
@ 2008-02-01 1:45 ` maxim wexler
1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: maxim wexler @ 2008-02-01 1:45 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
> nazgul / # eix ^pam | grep sys-auth
Hmm, on my machine the top of the list says that there
is an invalid line in package.keywords:
">=kde-base/kde-passwd-4.0.0:kde-4" You have a
operator but we can't find a version-part
I think that was part of a list someone lent me. But
this is the first that I heard it was problem. Usually
I get the "invalid atom" and the process halts.
The rest of the list is identical otherwise except for
these last three which I don't have:
> * sys-auth/pam_blue [1]
> * sys-auth/pam_pgsql [1]
> * sys-auth/pam_sotp [1]
>
> and my /etc/pam.d/
Mine is a lot like yours; a few exceptions, eg, no
cups. But that's understandable cause I have no printer.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] pam fixed now it's tcpdump
2008-01-31 21:46 ` Alan McKinnon
@ 2008-02-01 2:11 ` maxim wexler
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From: maxim wexler @ 2008-02-01 2:11 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
>
> If it's any consolation, I knwo what this feels
> like. I too have done
> emerge world on a box that hadn't seen the internet
> for almost a year.
> That was painful too :-)
I'm always online but my bandwidth is so narrow
downloading anything takes over the entire stream --
can't even answer e-mail. So, I keep putting off the
updates, while the foundation crumbles unseen ;(
mw
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* Re: [gentoo-user] pam fixed now it's tcpdump
2008-01-31 21:44 ` Alan McKinnon
@ 2008-02-01 10:35 ` Peter Humphrey
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From: Peter Humphrey @ 2008-02-01 10:35 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Thursday 31 January 2008 21:44:19 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> I can't think of a reason why anyone wouldn't want all of kdebase so
> there's no need to emerge startkde explicitly
I did install startkde on this box. Six packages would now be installed if I
were to emerge kdebase-meta, namely kdebugdialog, ksysguard, ktip, klipper,
knetattach and kpager. I don't miss any of those, so what do you think I'm
losing by not installing them?
I think that installing startkde is the first step on the road to a lean
system, which I imagine is its purpose. Long may it continue!
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