[gentoo-user] Plasma app preservation

[gentoo-user] Plasma app preservation

[Peter Humphrey]

Greetings,

Is any other plasma user still having trouble starting it with the previous 
arrangement of desktops and programs?

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=471977 refers.

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Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Plasma app preservation

[Peter Humphrey]

On Thursday 19 December 2024 12:01:43 GMT I wrote:

> Is any other plasma user still having trouble starting it with the previous
> arrangement of desktops and programs?
> 
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=471977 refers.

Turns out it's a known problem with wayland, which doesn't yet have such a 
feature. I'm now recompiling 140 packages with USE=-wayland.

Watch this space...

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Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Plasma app preservation

[Matt Jolly]

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Re: [gentoo-user] Plasma app preservation

[Peter Humphrey]

On Thursday 19 December 2024 23:40:52 GMT Matt Jolly wrote:
> You don't need to do that; you just need to launch an X11 session instead of
> Wayland.

Well, I'll go to the foot of our stairs, as they say around here. (Don't ask 
me why.)

Why has it taken so long for the heart of the issue to be revealed, and then 
the cure for it? I hardly dare think of the amount of frustration it has 
caused over at least a year.

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Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Plasma app preservation

[Peter Humphrey]

On Friday 20 December 2024 14:18:14 GMT Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Thursday 19 December 2024 23:40:52 GMT Matt Jolly wrote:
> > You don't need to do that; you just need to launch an X11 session instead
> > of Wayland.
> 
> Well, I'll go to the foot of our stairs, as they say around here. (Don't ask
> me why.)
> 
> Why has it taken so long for the heart of the issue to be revealed, and then
> the cure for it? I hardly dare think of the amount of frustration it has
> caused over at least a year.

In any case, it doesn't work, or not here. After reading 'man sddm.conf' I set 
DisplayServer=x11 in /etc/sddm.conf.d/01gentoo.conf, rebooted, set up my 
desktops as I wanted them and logged out and in again.

Everything was piled up on Desktop 1, as before.

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Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Plasma app preservation

[Matt Jolly]

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Re: [gentoo-user] Plasma app preservation

[Dale]

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Matt Jolly wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> It doesn't matter what SDDM is using - it can launch either an X11 or
> Wayland Plasma session for the DE in question.
>
> Use the dropdown in SDDM to select a Plasma (X11) session and you
> should be fine.
>
> Sorry for top-post - on mobile!
>

I'd like to add, I'm using X11 still.  Sometimes, my desktops go crazy. 
This past weekend or one before after updates, my three monitor setup
played ring around the rosy.  It's like each monitor went one position
off.  I only have the plasma panel thing on my primary monitor.  It was
moved, along with all my open programs, to what is technically my third
monitor.  My third monitor went to what is usually my second position. 
It took me a while to add/remove/move things back to where it should
be.  To make matters worse, when I set monitor priority, it wouldn't set
like it should be.  It took some time to work out how to force it to be
like I want despite it not showing the settings correctly. 

I think some of this is upgrade pains.  It works fine until there is a
major update, then things goes sideways, or in a circle.  While some may
be wayland, some may not be.  Multiple monitors does add more
opportunities for things to go weird.  With one monitor, it has very
little choices where to put the screen. 

I'd hate to know I had a setup with 6 or 8 monitors.  o_O 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Plasma app preservation

[Peter Humphrey]

On Friday 20 December 2024 20:28:05 GMT Matt Jolly wrote:

> It doesn't matter what SDDM is using - it can launch either an X11 or
> Wayland Plasma session for the DE in question.
> 
> Use the dropdown in SDDM to select a Plasma (X11) session and you should be
> fine.

That took a bit of spotting - thanks.

I wonder if there's a way to make my selection there permanent.

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Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Plasma app preservation

[Dale]

Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Friday 20 December 2024 20:28:05 GMT Matt Jolly wrote:
>
>> It doesn't matter what SDDM is using - it can launch either an X11 or
>> Wayland Plasma session for the DE in question.
>>
>> Use the dropdown in SDDM to select a Plasma (X11) session and you should be
>> fine.
> That took a bit of spotting - thanks.
>
> I wonder if there's a way to make my selection there permanent.
>


On my systems, it remembers the last one selected.  To be honest tho,
I'd double check the next few logins to be sure.  :-)  Also, check after
each upgrade to sddm, possibly your desktop as well.  I've noticed it
changing in the past but is rare and usually after some upgrades.  I'm
not sure what upgrade triggers the change, sddm, KDE or something else. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Plasma app preservation

[Peter Humphrey]

On Sunday 22 December 2024 17:58:30 GMT Dale wrote:
> Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > On Friday 20 December 2024 20:28:05 GMT Matt Jolly wrote:
> >> It doesn't matter what SDDM is using - it can launch either an X11 or
> >> Wayland Plasma session for the DE in question.
> >> 
> >> Use the dropdown in SDDM to select a Plasma (X11) session and you should
> >> be
> >> fine.
> > 
> > That took a bit of spotting - thanks.
> > 
> > I wonder if there's a way to make my selection there permanent.
> 
> On my systems, it remembers the last one selected.  To be honest tho,
> I'd double check the next few logins to be sure.  :-)  Also, check after
> each upgrade to sddm, possibly your desktop as well.  I've noticed it
> changing in the past but is rare and usually after some upgrades.  I'm
> not sure what upgrade triggers the change, sddm, KDE or something else. 

I can now see it does that here too. The one exception is my three gkrellm 
panels, which go to Desktop 1.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Plasma app preservation

[Dale]

Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Sunday 22 December 2024 17:58:30 GMT Dale wrote:
>> Peter Humphrey wrote:
>>> On Friday 20 December 2024 20:28:05 GMT Matt Jolly wrote:
>>>> It doesn't matter what SDDM is using - it can launch either an X11 or
>>>> Wayland Plasma session for the DE in question.
>>>>
>>>> Use the dropdown in SDDM to select a Plasma (X11) session and you should
>>>> be
>>>> fine.
>>> That took a bit of spotting - thanks.
>>>
>>> I wonder if there's a way to make my selection there permanent.
>> On my systems, it remembers the last one selected.  To be honest tho,
>> I'd double check the next few logins to be sure.  :-)  Also, check after
>> each upgrade to sddm, possibly your desktop as well.  I've noticed it
>> changing in the past but is rare and usually after some upgrades.  I'm
>> not sure what upgrade triggers the change, sddm, KDE or something else. 
> I can now see it does that here too. The one exception is my three gkrellm 
> panels, which go to Desktop 1.
>

I seem to recall having issues with gkrellm as well.  One thing I tried,
logging out while gkrellm was closed.  Then logging in, opening gkrellm
and logging back out.  It helped some, went to wrong screen but right
desktop.  I ended up setting up a KDE window rule for it to make it park
on the right monitor.  It worked ever since.  Since gkrellm is
different, make sure gkrellm is active, selected or whatever and hit Alt
+ F3 then select More Actions and rules.  I did mine for the whole app I
think. 

One of those should beat some sense into it.  I hope.  :-D 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Plasma app preservation

[Peter Humphrey]

On Monday 23 December 2024 20:13:55 GMT Dale wrote:
> Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > On Sunday 22 December 2024 17:58:30 GMT Dale wrote:
> >> Peter Humphrey wrote:
> >>> On Friday 20 December 2024 20:28:05 GMT Matt Jolly wrote:
> >>>> It doesn't matter what SDDM is using - it can launch either an X11 or
> >>>> Wayland Plasma session for the DE in question.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Use the dropdown in SDDM to select a Plasma (X11) session and you
> >>>> should
> >>>> be
> >>>> fine.
> >>> 
> >>> That took a bit of spotting - thanks.
> >>> 
> >>> I wonder if there's a way to make my selection there permanent.
> >> 
> >> On my systems, it remembers the last one selected.  To be honest tho,
> >> I'd double check the next few logins to be sure.  :-)  Also, check after
> >> each upgrade to sddm, possibly your desktop as well.  I've noticed it
> >> changing in the past but is rare and usually after some upgrades.  I'm
> >> not sure what upgrade triggers the change, sddm, KDE or something else.
> > 
> > I can now see it does that here too. The one exception is my three gkrellm
> > panels, which go to Desktop 1.
> 
> I seem to recall having issues with gkrellm as well.  One thing I tried,
> logging out while gkrellm was closed.  Then logging in, opening gkrellm
> and logging back out.  It helped some, went to wrong screen but right
> desktop.  I ended up setting up a KDE window rule for it to make it park
> on the right monitor.  It worked ever since.  Since gkrellm is
> different, make sure gkrellm is active, selected or whatever and hit Alt
> + F3 then select More Actions and rules.  I did mine for the whole app I
> think. 
> 
> One of those should beat some sense into it.  I hope.  :-D 

Fraid not, Dale. I had a kernel upgrade this morning, so a reboot was in 
order. I had set up a window rule to display the three gkrellms on Desktop 4, 
but they still appear on Desktop 1. Your idea of logging out & in didn't help 
either.

Looks like I'll have to exclude gkrellm from being restarted on login.

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Regards,
Peter.