From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1G2zjJ-0004IL-Sn for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:15:58 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6J0EDEM032079; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:14:13 GMT Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6J05mln009236 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:05:48 GMT Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id m19so33780nfc for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:05:48 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=H7jGt77c1a8dQ3wOs44bdgo15Ntx4dylNMFScd46aRIQw/VGjZsohKEjiuXSYN1IAZOnLXTQnUYU39ua2onO1wavBugKvu3vWi3Jkx4HU11B0mObL9+TEQLqwuueOD97YWuLMDFl72+9X62pdbmsw4loCJRqJ/V5xzDJQqZOtmQ= Received: by 10.78.179.12 with SMTP id b12mr57708huf; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:05:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.97.4 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:05:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7bef1f890607181705j99a69b1tfea2acba8431428a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:05:47 +1000 From: "Alan E. Davis" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] System maintainance, "emerge --depclean", "revdep-rebuild" Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Archives-Salt: db997d8a-e3bc-437a-bf80-5aaf9917f487 X-Archives-Hash: e1d15ef3917949afa9efd5554c36022d I have some serious issues trying to maintain three gentoo systems. I fear it's time to ask for advice. I have avoided "emerge --depclean" since I installed all three of my systems last november. I do update two of the machines frequently. Many issues and compilation failures are popping up, and ordinarily I muddle through a few attempts at "emerge -uDv world" until the problems go away. I have not faithfully either done "revdep-rebuild". Now I have been trying again to follow up on maintainance. It's not working. I have avoided "emerge --depclean" in spite of the recommendations of several list members both to me and as a matter of course in day to day messages. However, I am reluctant because of none other than the initial messages when trying to do so: *** WARNING *** --depclean is known to be broken. It is highly recommended *** WARNING *** that `emerge --update --newuse --deep world` be ran before *** WARNING *** commencing. However, using --depclean may still break link *** WARNING *** level consistency within your system. `revdep-rebuild` *** WARNING *** from app-portage/gentoolkit can help to detect breakage. *** WARNING *** etc. Here are the stats at the end of "remerge --depglean" I just tried today: | Packages installed: 1477 | Packages in world: 320 | Packages in system: 65 | Unique package names: 906 | Required packages: 933 | Number to remove: 569 When running revdep-rebuild, when I try to do every once in a while, invariably, the first package that is attempted to recompile fails, and the process then fails. I have installed a large number of packages, to do a large number of things. There are many programs I could do without. The problem with this approach is the enormous amount of time involved in simple updates. My laptop, with only a 50GB HDD, requires to download 700GB to emerge -uDv world. I am on a dialup at home, at school where I work, the network is inconsistent, and even with several visits to a wireless cafe, I am unable to complete this process. It's time to thin down. I have installed kde and gnome, and a bunch of other display/window managers. I now use enlightenment 17 exclusively, so I could do away with a lot of cruft. But emerge --depclean is removing quite a few programs that are useful to me. I am still being bitten by libexpat.so.0 quite frequently. One of two of the programs involved are serious problems, since the offenders are other libraries or dependencies. Usually I can just re-emerge the affected package, and the problem is temporarily solved. Some programs that I have done that for, are now, after a couple of months, doing it again. Should I go ahead and "emerge --depclean"? How about revdep-rebuild? I am spending my entire summer trying to deal with these systems. I loathe to do this process package by package. Thanks for any ideas. By the way, one of my systems broke down, so I'll be installing from scratch. One will be much more conservative about installing packages---at least gnome, kde, and other window managers. Alan Davis lngndvs@gmail.com -- Alan Davis, Kagman High School, Saipan lngndvs@gmail.com 1-670-256-2043 I consider that the golden rule requires that if I like a program I must share it with other people who like it. --------Richard Stallman -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list