From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1I7BBH-0002TL-5N for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 14:22:39 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l67EJV2w012735; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 14:19:31 GMT Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l67ECUQt004132 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 14:12:30 GMT Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a2so960273ugf for ; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 07:12:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=h/7v22S0uFvEAa40Ch7cXYydwMiY1cRLEXZyn0qKN/m+oHHW+sLknMDWXJt7RYEddRW0A7v0WXzl9lFukxIwZDva2AHiPjiOnv/wX9cDOlQeCaiNpOIN7P34XZ2OhRyuUAKjOW5D+WrcLD1pCkcqD8Q7YCTRZn1a9jtDJ2hCZTI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=gxbvkigvfAWV3Yf1N6ULHoYIT+bicHsvuV50F8GgDkhehdyV7deP6Z8Cj/wRJS286dzEn2e28ctne32TZVp2Fr5fSf1G3vVfzi7vONhezVhVHrLbNFuiDeXNLXkS30jpvTZ+qMV71nSv+SyHjg0v23bws6pDE+hkPAfydACy3IY= Received: by 10.67.19.11 with SMTP id w11mr3534082ugi.1183817549697; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 07:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.254.4 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 07:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7ad4c500707070712k4bf86dcasbaa83f13ef05854d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 16:12:29 +0200 From: "Martin S" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is Gentoo Healthy? (The Return) In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10266_22745236.1183817549591" References: <49bf44f10707030907jaa9f524maef27beb2a7c9df@mail.gmail.com> <468B8C8D.9040808@gmail.com> <20070705001359.GB4927@sympatico.ca> <200707042047.07423.mcbrides9@comcast.net> <468E802C.1030203@badapple.net> X-Archives-Salt: 20089068-4d35-43cb-9c86-d4020b2c2698 X-Archives-Hash: fc6121f09cbf0e18dc26ef825f75bc79 ------=_Part_10266_22745236.1183817549591 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 2007/7/7, Thufir : > > On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 10:47:24 -0700, kashani wrote: > > > I say bring on the easiness. Make a big fat button after the > liveCD > > loads that says "Just install it for me in a nice default kinda way so I > > can start playing with this whole USE flag thing I've heard so much > > about" and be done with it. > > The irony here is that gentoo has had the live cd for a long time which > makes installing so much easier, but just won't go that extra step > because...it's supposed to be hard? If it's "supposed" to be hard, why > have the live cd? seems contrary. Well, actually the Live CD/DVD is complete crap when it comes to "easy installing" bringing grief to lots of potential users. Which is pretty weird, considering "the other Gentoo"* has a Live CD that actually works as intended to bring in newbie type users. On the other hand I don't see why a distribution like Gentoo should target newbie users. What was actually wrong with a slightly elitist approach in stage 1-2 cli installations? The semi newbie could use a stage 3 cli installation routine. Actually I started to think that the Live CD, ditching the stage 1-2 from the main documentation is not understanding what many feel Gentoo is. It's *not* the Mandrivalike-works-straight-of-the-box distribution. It shouldn't be shoe horned into something it isn't. -Thufir > > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > -- Regards, Martin S ------=_Part_10266_22745236.1183817549591 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

2007/7/7, Thufir <hawat.thufir@gmail.com>:
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 10:47:24 -0700, kashani wrote:

>       I say bring on the easiness. Make a big fat button after the
liveCD
> loads that says "Just install it for me in a nice default kinda way so I
> can start playing with this whole USE flag thing I've heard so much
> about" and be done with it.

The irony here is that gentoo has had the live cd for a long time which
makes installing so much easier, but just won't go that extra step
because...it's supposed to be hard?  If it's "supposed" to be hard, why
have the live cd?  seems contrary.

Well, actually the Live CD/DVD is complete crap when it comes to "easy installing" bringing grief to lots of potential users. Which is pretty weird, considering "the other Gentoo"* has a Live CD that actually works as intended to bring in newbie type users. On the other hand I don't see why a distribution like Gentoo should target newbie users. What was actually wrong with a slightly elitist approach in stage 1-2 cli installations? The semi newbie could use a stage 3 cli installation routine.
Actually I started to think that the Live CD, ditching the stage 1-2 from the main documentation is not understanding what many feel Gentoo is. It's *not* the Mandrivalike-works-straight-of-the-box distribution. It shouldn't be shoe horned into something it isn't.
 

-Thufir

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