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From: Martin S <shieldfire@gmail.com>
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I enjoy KDE, especially since the atomic builds were introduced. The full=
=20
KDE is so full of - for my needs - completely useless junk, that I've kept=
=20
away from it. The bloatedness of KDE atomic is quite acceptable for me.=20
Also, I'm pretty satisfied with the eye-candy. Useability wise, for me, KDE=
=20
is "better" than Gnome, which I've tried very hard to like.=20
I wanted to like Gnome, and was excited by the new release (what is standar=
d=20
now - I've forgotten the version number) but the dialog boxes for Open File=
=20
etc simply made me throw it out. Add to that the main KDE killer Evolution=
=20
went from the Outlook layout to something else, and Kontact took its place.=
=20
(The organisation of data is the only think I like in Outlook).
I've played with other WM/DEs as well. On RedHat I used WindowMaker and on=
=20
Gentoo I've played with Enlightenment E16/E17 a bit. When the urge comes=20
over me to be "Unixy" I use E. It was some time ago though.=20
The main problem I feel is that lots of apps are written for a specific WM=
=20
rather than a generic non-WM/DE-dependent API. Which makes the entire=20
desktop look like bits and pieces the cat draged home (run Gimp, Kontact an=
d=20
Scid under KDE and you'll know what I mean). There was (is?) a setting in=
=20
KDE to force *some* apps to bend to the theme of KDE, but that was buggy=20
when I tried it last time.
2005/9/1, Matt Garman <garman@raw-sewage.net>:
>=20
>=20
> Before this gets into a flame war, let's just operate under the
> assertion that the "best" window manager/desktop environment is
> strictly a matter of personal preference.
>=20
> So, having said that, what window manager do you use, and why? I
> wouldn't trade the multitude of options availabe in Linux for
> anything, but the choices can be overwhelming.
>=20
> I've played with a lot of 'em, starting with fvwm, through window
> maker, enlightenment 15 & 16, icewm, gnome, xfce, kde, blackbox...
> I've been using Fluxbox for quite a while now.
>=20
> I want something that is fairly minimal/lightweight, but with a hint
> of eye candy and a functional "panel" or taskbar. Fluxbox just
> about has this, but, I can't seem to figure out how to get a
> gnome-like panel (unless I ran gnome, which would trump the
> lighweight requirement).
>=20
> I've seen the E17 screenshots, and I'd like to run it, but it's not
> a trivial install, plus it's still alpha code (though there's plenty
> of anecdotal evidence that it's plenty stable... I'd still rather
> wait for an "official" release).
>=20
> Some interesting links, if you aren't already aware:
>=20
> http://xwinman.org/ - basic overview of available WMs/DEs
> http://www.lynucs.org/ - desktop screenshot archive
> http://www.enlightenment.org/ - best of eye candy :)
>=20
> Anyway, I was just hoping to start a "pub"-style conversation on
> what people like/disklike in a window manager.
>=20
> Thanks,
> Matt
>=20
> --
> Matt Garman
> email at: http://raw-sewage.net/index.php?file=3Demail
> --
> gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
>=20
>=20
--=20
Regards,
Martin S
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I enjoy KDE, especially since the atomic builds were introduced. The
full KDE is so full of - for my needs - completely useless junk, that
I've kept away from it. The bloatedness of KDE atomic is quite
acceptable for me. Also, I'm pretty satisfied with the eye-candy.
Useability wise, for me, KDE is "better" than Gnome, which I've t=
ried
very hard to like. <br>
<br>
I wanted to like Gnome, and was excited by the new release (what is
standard now - I've forgotten the version number) but the dialog boxes
for Open File etc simply made me throw it out. Add to that the main KDE
killer Evolution went from the Outlook layout to something else, and
Kontact took its place. (The organisation of data is the only think I
like in Outlook).<br>
<br>
I've played with other WM/DEs as well. On RedHat I used WindowMaker and
on Gentoo I've played with Enlightenment E16/E17 a bit. When the urge
comes over me to be "Unixy" I use E. It was some time ago though.=
<br>
<br>
The main problem I feel is that lots of apps are written for a specific
WM rather than a generic non-WM/DE-dependent API. Which makes the
entire desktop look like bits and pieces the cat draged home (run Gimp,
Kontact and Scid under KDE and you'll know what I mean). There was
(is?) a setting in KDE to force *some* apps to bend to the theme of
KDE, but that was buggy when I tried it last time.<br><br><div><span class=
=3D"gmail_quote">2005/9/1, Matt Garman <<a href=3D"mailto:garman@raw-sew=
age.net">garman@raw-sewage.net</a>>:</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0p=
t 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>Before this gets into a flame war, let's just operate under the<br>asse=
rtion that the "best" window manager/desktop environment is<br>st=
rictly a matter of personal preference.<br><br>So, having said that, what w=
indow manager do you use, and why? I
<br>wouldn't trade the multitude of options availabe in Linux for<br>anythi=
ng, but the choices can be overwhelming.<br><br>I've played with a lot of '=
em, starting with fvwm, through window<br>maker, enlightenment 15 & 16,=
icewm, gnome, xfce, kde, blackbox...
<br>I've been using Fluxbox for quite a while now.<br><br>I want something =
that is fairly minimal/lightweight, but with a hint<br>of eye candy and a f=
unctional "panel" or taskbar. Fluxbox just<br>about ha=
s this, but, I can't seem to figure out how to get a
<br>gnome-like panel (unless I ran gnome, which would trump the<br>lighweig=
ht requirement).<br><br>I've seen the E17 screenshots, and I'd like to run =
it, but it's not<br>a trivial install, plus it's still alpha code (though t=
here's plenty
<br>of anecdotal evidence that it's plenty stable... I'd still rather<br>wa=
it for an "official" release).<br><br>Some interesting links, if =
you aren't already aware:<br><br><a href=3D"http://xwinman.org/">http://xwi=
nman.org/
</a> - basic overview of available WMs/DEs<br><a href=3D"http://www.lynucs.=
org/">http://www.lynucs.org/</a> - desktop screenshot archive<br><a href=3D=
"http://www.enlightenment.org/">http://www.enlightenment.org/</a> - best of=
eye candy :)
<br><br>Anyway, I was just hoping to start a "pub"-style conversa=
tion on<br>what people like/disklike in a window manager.<br><br>Thanks,<br=
>Matt<br><br>--<br>Matt Garman<br>email at: <a href=3D"http://raw-sewage.ne=
t/index.php?file=3Demail">
http://raw-sewage.net/index.php?file=3Demail</a><br>--<br><a href=3D"mailto=
:gentoo-user@gentoo.org">gentoo-user@gentoo.org</a> mailing list<br><br></b=
lockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Regards,<br><br>Martin S
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From: Martin S <shieldfire@gmail.com>
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I enjoy KDE, especially since the atomic builds were introduced. The full=
=20
KDE is so full of - for my needs - completely useless junk, that I've kept=
=20
away from it. The bloatedness of KDE atomic is quite acceptable for me.=20
Also, I'm pretty satisfied with the eye-candy. Useability wise, for me, KDE=
=20
is "better" than Gnome, which I've tried very hard to like.=20
I wanted to like Gnome, and was excited by the new release (what is standar=
d=20
now - I've forgotten the version number) but the dialog boxes for Open File=
=20
etc simply made me throw it out. Add to that the main KDE killer Evolution=
=20
went from the Outlook layout to something else, and Kontact took its place.=
=20
(The organisation of data is the only think I like in Outlook).
I've played with other WM/DEs as well. On RedHat I used WindowMaker and on=
=20
Gentoo I've played with Enlightenment E16/E17 a bit. When the urge comes=20
over me to be "Unixy" I use E. It was some time ago though.=20
The main problem I feel is that lots of apps are written for a specific WM=
=20
rather than a generic non-WM/DE-dependent API. Which makes the entire=20
desktop look like bits and pieces the cat draged home (run Gimp, Kontact an=
d=20
Scid under KDE and you'll know what I mean). There was (is?) a setting in=
=20
KDE to force *some* apps to bend to the theme of KDE, but that was buggy=20
when I tried it last time.
2005/9/1, Matt Garman <garman@raw-sewage.net>:
>=20
>=20
> Before this gets into a flame war, let's just operate under the
> assertion that the "best" window manager/desktop environment is
> strictly a matter of personal preference.
>=20
> So, having said that, what window manager do you use, and why? I
> wouldn't trade the multitude of options availabe in Linux for
> anything, but the choices can be overwhelming.
>=20
> I've played with a lot of 'em, starting with fvwm, through window
> maker, enlightenment 15 & 16, icewm, gnome, xfce, kde, blackbox...
> I've been using Fluxbox for quite a while now.
>=20
> I want something that is fairly minimal/lightweight, but with a hint
> of eye candy and a functional "panel" or taskbar. Fluxbox just
> about has this, but, I can't seem to figure out how to get a
> gnome-like panel (unless I ran gnome, which would trump the
> lighweight requirement).
>=20
> I've seen the E17 screenshots, and I'd like to run it, but it's not
> a trivial install, plus it's still alpha code (though there's plenty
> of anecdotal evidence that it's plenty stable... I'd still rather
> wait for an "official" release).
>=20
> Some interesting links, if you aren't already aware:
>=20
> http://xwinman.org/ - basic overview of available WMs/DEs
> http://www.lynucs.org/ - desktop screenshot archive
> http://www.enlightenment.org/ - best of eye candy :)
>=20
> Anyway, I was just hoping to start a "pub"-style conversation on
> what people like/disklike in a window manager.
>=20
> Thanks,
> Matt
>=20
> --
> Matt Garman
> email at: http://raw-sewage.net/index.php?file=3Demail
> --
> gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
>=20
>=20
--=20
Regards,
Martin S
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I enjoy KDE, especially since the atomic builds were introduced. The
full KDE is so full of - for my needs - completely useless junk, that
I've kept away from it. The bloatedness of KDE atomic is quite
acceptable for me. Also, I'm pretty satisfied with the eye-candy.
Useability wise, for me, KDE is "better" than Gnome, which I've t=
ried
very hard to like. <br>
<br>
I wanted to like Gnome, and was excited by the new release (what is
standard now - I've forgotten the version number) but the dialog boxes
for Open File etc simply made me throw it out. Add to that the main KDE
killer Evolution went from the Outlook layout to something else, and
Kontact took its place. (The organisation of data is the only think I
like in Outlook).<br>
<br>
I've played with other WM/DEs as well. On RedHat I used WindowMaker and
on Gentoo I've played with Enlightenment E16/E17 a bit. When the urge
comes over me to be "Unixy" I use E. It was some time ago though.=
<br>
<br>
The main problem I feel is that lots of apps are written for a specific
WM rather than a generic non-WM/DE-dependent API. Which makes the
entire desktop look like bits and pieces the cat draged home (run Gimp,
Kontact and Scid under KDE and you'll know what I mean). There was
(is?) a setting in KDE to force *some* apps to bend to the theme of
KDE, but that was buggy when I tried it last time.<br><br><div><span class=
=3D"gmail_quote">2005/9/1, Matt Garman <<a href=3D"mailto:garman@raw-sew=
age.net">garman@raw-sewage.net</a>>:</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0p=
t 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>Before this gets into a flame war, let's just operate under the<br>asse=
rtion that the "best" window manager/desktop environment is<br>st=
rictly a matter of personal preference.<br><br>So, having said that, what w=
indow manager do you use, and why? I
<br>wouldn't trade the multitude of options availabe in Linux for<br>anythi=
ng, but the choices can be overwhelming.<br><br>I've played with a lot of '=
em, starting with fvwm, through window<br>maker, enlightenment 15 & 16,=
icewm, gnome, xfce, kde, blackbox...
<br>I've been using Fluxbox for quite a while now.<br><br>I want something =
that is fairly minimal/lightweight, but with a hint<br>of eye candy and a f=
unctional "panel" or taskbar. Fluxbox just<br>about ha=
s this, but, I can't seem to figure out how to get a
<br>gnome-like panel (unless I ran gnome, which would trump the<br>lighweig=
ht requirement).<br><br>I've seen the E17 screenshots, and I'd like to run =
it, but it's not<br>a trivial install, plus it's still alpha code (though t=
here's plenty
<br>of anecdotal evidence that it's plenty stable... I'd still rather<br>wa=
it for an "official" release).<br><br>Some interesting links, if =
you aren't already aware:<br><br><a href=3D"http://xwinman.org/">http://xwi=
nman.org/
</a> - basic overview of available WMs/DEs<br><a href=3D"http://www.lynucs.=
org/">http://www.lynucs.org/</a> - desktop screenshot archive<br><a href=3D=
"http://www.enlightenment.org/">http://www.enlightenment.org/</a> - best of=
eye candy :)
<br><br>Anyway, I was just hoping to start a "pub"-style conversa=
tion on<br>what people like/disklike in a window manager.<br><br>Thanks,<br=
>Matt<br><br>--<br>Matt Garman<br>email at: <a href=3D"http://raw-sewage.ne=
t/index.php?file=3Demail">
http://raw-sewage.net/index.php?file=3Demail</a><br>--<br><a href=3D"mailto=
:gentoo-user@gentoo.org">gentoo-user@gentoo.org</a> mailing list<br><br></b=
lockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Regards,<br><br>Martin S
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