[gentoo-user] No more mythtv for Gentoo users?

[gentoo-user] No more mythtv for Gentoo users?

[Grant Edwards]

When upgrading a machine today, I saw a notice that mythtv 0.21 has
now been hardmasked.  I think it's because it depends on an obsolte
version of Qt.  Don't get me started on the royal PITA of requiring
that Qt be installed for a backend-only setup on a server.

Since 0.21 and 0.23 is hardmasked, and mythv 0.22 is unstable on
everything except the amd64 platform, what's an X86 user to do?

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                                  at               license is expired, and I'm
                              gmail.com            under a doctor's care!!!!

Re: [gentoo-user] No more mythtv for Gentoo users?

[Mark Knecht]

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:
> When upgrading a machine today, I saw a notice that mythtv 0.21 has
> now been hardmasked.  I think it's because it depends on an obsolte
> version of Qt.  Don't get me started on the royal PITA of requiring
> that Qt be installed for a backend-only setup on a server.
>
> Since 0.21 and 0.23 is hardmasked, and mythv 0.22 is unstable on
> everything except the amd64 platform, what's an X86 user to do?
>
> --
> Grant Edwards               grant.b.edwards        Yow! My face is new, my

I think this is being handled badly but that sort of the way it is for
a few days anyway. Shortly 0.22 will be unmasked as stable if it isn't
already, but there are LOTS and LOTS of things we need to be careful
about when changing or the Myth database will get messed up and
possibly be unusable.

It seems that a few devs can decide that something like qt3 is enough
to force people to move forward. I've got 5 x64/amd64 frontends plus a
backend PPC server. I'm not convinced they thought about this sort of
mixed environment issue but that's the way it is.

I am expecting that it's going to be a bad couple of weeks....

I'd like to find some sort of sunset overlay for 0.21 but I haven't
looked. Let me know if you go that way.

- Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] No more mythtv for Gentoo users?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 16:52:46 +0000 (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:

> Since 0.21 and 0.23 is hardmasked, and mythv 0.22 is unstable on
> everything except the amd64 platform, what's an X86 user to do?

It may be in a testing ebuild but it is far from unstable:

% ssh mythtv@agrajag uptime
   17:58:52 up 51 days, 16:25,  1 user,  load average: 0.17, 0.10, 0.09


-- 
Neil Bothwick

"Apple I" (c) Copyright 1767, Sir Isaac Newton.

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Re: [gentoo-user] No more mythtv for Gentoo users?

[Willie Wong]

On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 05:59:32PM +0000, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> % ssh mythtv@agrajag uptime
>    17:58:52 up 51 days, 16:25,  1 user,  load average: 0.17, 0.10, 0.09

You call it Agrajag and talk about stability? You big tempter of fate
you.

:)

W

-- 
Willie W. Wong                                     wwong@math.princeton.edu
Data aequatione quotcunque fluentes quantitae involvente fluxiones invenire 
         et vice versa   ~~~  I. Newton

[gentoo-user] Re: No more mythtv for Gentoo users?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2010-03-03, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:
>> When upgrading a machine today, I saw a notice that mythtv 0.21 has
>> now been hardmasked. ??I think it's because it depends on an obsolte
>> version of Qt. ??Don't get me started on the royal PITA of requiring
>> that Qt be installed for a backend-only setup on a server.
>>
>> Since 0.21 and 0.23 is hardmasked, and mythv 0.22 is unstable on
>> everything except the amd64 platform, what's an X86 user to do?

> I think this is being handled badly but that sort of the way it is for
> a few days anyway. Shortly 0.22 will be unmasked as stable if it isn't
> already, but there are LOTS and LOTS of things we need to be careful
> about when changing or the Myth database will get messed up and
> possibly be unusable.

I read the instructions for fixing the broken database encoding, but
it appears mine is fine -- so updating to 0.22 won't be quite as
painful as it might have been.  I'll still have to re-build the
frontend, since 0.22 doesn't use a compatible protocol.

> It seems that a few devs can decide that something like qt3 is enough
> to force people to move forward. I've got 5 x64/amd64 frontends plus
> a backend PPC server. I'm not convinced they thought about this sort
> of mixed environment issue but that's the way it is.
>
> I am expecting that it's going to be a bad couple of weeks....
>
> I'd like to find some sort of sunset overlay for 0.21 but I haven't
> looked. Let me know if you go that way.

I'll probably try upgrading to 0.22.

-- 
Grant Edwards               grant.b.edwards        Yow! We're going to a
                                  at               new disco!
                              gmail.com            

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: No more mythtv for Gentoo users?

[Mark Knecht]

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Grant Edwards
<grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2010-03-03, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> When upgrading a machine today, I saw a notice that mythtv 0.21 has
>>> now been hardmasked. ??I think it's because it depends on an obsolte
>>> version of Qt. ??Don't get me started on the royal PITA of requiring
>>> that Qt be installed for a backend-only setup on a server.
>>>
>>> Since 0.21 and 0.23 is hardmasked, and mythv 0.22 is unstable on
>>> everything except the amd64 platform, what's an X86 user to do?
>
>> I think this is being handled badly but that sort of the way it is for
>> a few days anyway. Shortly 0.22 will be unmasked as stable if it isn't
>> already, but there are LOTS and LOTS of things we need to be careful
>> about when changing or the Myth database will get messed up and
>> possibly be unusable.
>
> I read the instructions for fixing the broken database encoding, but
> it appears mine is fine -- so updating to 0.22 won't be quite as
> painful as it might have been.  I'll still have to re-build the
> frontend, since 0.22 doesn't use a compatible protocol.

You are already using latin1 throughout your database? You are lucky
if that's true. It isn't for me but I've been running myth for about 4
years now.

I would suggest that if you use __any__ remote frontends and there is
any chance of someone else powering one up and using Myth then you
should first emerge -C mythtv on ALL frontend-only machines, upgrade
your server, emerge mythtv-0.22 on one frontend, make sure it works,
and then move on with any other machine.

Good luck and report back how it goes!

- Mark

<SNIP>
>
> I'll probably try upgrading to 0.22.
>
> --
> Grant Edwards               grant.b.edwards        Yow! We're going to a
>                                  at               new disco!
>                              gmail.com
>
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] No more mythtv for Gentoo users?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wednesday 03 March 2010 18:52:46 Grant Edwards wrote:
> When upgrading a machine today, I saw a notice that mythtv 0.21 has
> now been hardmasked.  I think it's because it depends on an obsolte
> version of Qt.  Don't get me started on the royal PITA of requiring
> that Qt be installed for a backend-only setup on a server.
> 
> Since 0.21 and 0.23 is hardmasked, and mythv 0.22 is unstable on
> everything except the amd64 platform, what's an X86 user to do?

Move the needed Qt-3 ebuilds to your local private overlay along with the 
mythtv ebuilds, unmask mythtv, continue as normal.


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] No more mythtv for Gentoo users?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wednesday 03 March 2010 20:23:01 Willie Wong wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 05:59:32PM +0000, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > % ssh mythtv@agrajag uptime
> > 
> >    17:58:52 up 51 days, 16:25,  1 user,  load average: 0.17, 0.10, 0.09
> 
> You call it Agrajag and talk about stability? You big tempter of fate
> you.


Wasn't Agrajag the toothless wonder that kept getting accidentally killed by 
Arthur Dent?


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

[gentoo-user] Re: No more mythtv for Gentoo users?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2010-03-03, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Grant Edwards
>>
>> I read the instructions for fixing the broken database encoding, but
>> it appears mine is fine -- so updating to 0.22 won't be quite as
>> painful as it might have been. ??I'll still have to re-build the
>> frontend, since 0.22 doesn't use a compatible protocol.
>
> You are already using latin1 throughout your database?

Apparently:

$ mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e 'status;'
Enter password: 
--------------
mysql  Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.84, for pc-linux-gnu (i686) using readline 6.0

Connection id:          106
Current database:       mythconverg
Current user:           mythtv@localhost
SSL:                    Not in use
Current pager:          stdout
Using outfile:          ''
Using delimiter:        ;
Server version:         5.0.84-log Gentoo Linux mysql-5.0.84-r1
Protocol version:       10
Connection:             Localhost via UNIX socket
Server characterset:    latin1
Db     characterset:    latin1
Client characterset:    latin1
Conn.  characterset:    latin1
UNIX socket:            /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
Uptime:                 1 day 20 hours 44 min 55 sec

Threads: 5  Questions: 261810  Slow queries: 0  Opens: 1400  Flush tables: 1  Open tables: 59  Queries per second avg: 1.625
--------------


> You are lucky if that's true. It isn't for me but I've been running
> myth for about 4 years now.

I've been running Myth for a while (6 years?), but this database was
created about 7 months ago when I switched from a dedicated FE/BE
machine running KnoppMyth to a split FE/BE setup where the BE runs on
a non-dedicated Gentoo machine.  Not sure how it ended up this way
other than the fact that I don't have UTF support enabled on that box
(at some point in the past, having UTF support enabled broke something
else, but I don't remember what).

> I would suggest that if you use __any__ remote frontends and there is
> any chance of someone else powering one up and using Myth then you
> should first emerge -C mythtv on ALL frontend-only machines,

The FE doesn't run Gentoo, it runs MiniMyth -- I _think_ all I need to
do is replace the 0.21 rootfs on the USB flash drive with the one
containing 0.22...

> upgrade your server, emerge mythtv-0.22 on one frontend, make sure it
> works, and then move on with any other machine.
>
> Good luck and report back how it goes!

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Grant Edwards               grant.b.edwards        Yow! Are we on STRIKE yet?
                                  at               
                              gmail.com            

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: No more mythtv for Gentoo users?

[Mark Knecht]

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Grant Edwards
<grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2010-03-03, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Grant Edwards
>>>
>>> I read the instructions for fixing the broken database encoding, but
>>> it appears mine is fine -- so updating to 0.22 won't be quite as
>>> painful as it might have been. ??I'll still have to re-build the
>>> frontend, since 0.22 doesn't use a compatible protocol.
>>
>> You are already using latin1 throughout your database?
>
> Apparently:
>
> $ mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e 'status;'
> Enter password:
> --------------
> mysql  Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.84, for pc-linux-gnu (i686) using readline 6.0
>
> Connection id:          106
> Current database:       mythconverg
> Current user:           mythtv@localhost
> SSL:                    Not in use
> Current pager:          stdout
> Using outfile:          ''
> Using delimiter:        ;
> Server version:         5.0.84-log Gentoo Linux mysql-5.0.84-r1
> Protocol version:       10
> Connection:             Localhost via UNIX socket
> Server characterset:    latin1
> Db     characterset:    latin1
> Client characterset:    latin1
> Conn.  characterset:    latin1
> UNIX socket:            /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
> Uptime:                 1 day 20 hours 44 min 55 sec
>
> Threads: 5  Questions: 261810  Slow queries: 0  Opens: 1400  Flush tables: 1  Open tables: 59  Queries per second avg: 1.625
> --------------
>

Good stuff. Not true for me.

>
>> You are lucky if that's true. It isn't for me but I've been running
>> myth for about 4 years now.
>
> I've been running Myth for a while (6 years?), but this database was
> created about 7 months ago when I switched from a dedicated FE/BE
> machine running KnoppMyth to a split FE/BE setup where the BE runs on
> a non-dedicated Gentoo machine.  Not sure how it ended up this way
> other than the fact that I don't have UTF support enabled on that box
> (at some point in the past, having UTF support enabled broke something
> else, but I don't remember what).
>
>> I would suggest that if you use __any__ remote frontends and there is
>> any chance of someone else powering one up and using Myth then you
>> should first emerge -C mythtv on ALL frontend-only machines,
>
> The FE doesn't run Gentoo, it runs MiniMyth -- I _think_ all I need to
> do is replace the 0.21 rootfs on the USB flash drive with the one
> containing 0.22...

You've probably read this elsewhere but apparently an older 0.21
frontend can corrupt the MythTV database. Maybe it won't happen for
you if you're already using all latin1 everywhere. I'm not so I have
to be careful.

Cheers,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] No more mythtv for Gentoo users?

[stosss]

> Wasn't Agrajag the toothless wonder that kept getting accidentally killed by
> Arthur Dent?

Yes

Re: [gentoo-user] No more mythtv for Gentoo users?

[Willie Wong]

On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 10:07:22PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Wednesday 03 March 2010 20:23:01 Willie Wong wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 05:59:32PM +0000, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > > % ssh mythtv@agrajag uptime
> > > 
> > >    17:58:52 up 51 days, 16:25,  1 user,  load average: 0.17, 0.10, 0.09
> > 
> > You call it Agrajag and talk about stability? You big tempter of fate
> > you.
> 
> 
> Wasn't Agrajag the toothless wonder that kept getting accidentally killed by 
> Arthur Dent?
> 

Precisely, I hate to imagine what kind of a system will Neil decide to
call "Wowbagger". 

W
-- 
Willie W. Wong                                     wwong@math.princeton.edu
Data aequatione quotcunque fluentes quantitae involvente fluxiones invenire 
         et vice versa   ~~~  I. Newton

Re: [gentoo-user] No more mythtv for Gentoo users?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 22:07:22 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> > > % ssh mythtv@agrajag uptime
> > > 
> > >    17:58:52 up 51 days, 16:25,  1 user,  load average: 0.17, 0.10,
> > > 0.09  
> > 
> > You call it Agrajag and talk about stability? You big tempter of fate
> > you.  
> 
> 
> Wasn't Agrajag the toothless wonder that kept getting accidentally
> killed by Arthur Dent?

Yes, all my hostnames are HHGTTG characters. Agrajag never crashes and
has only died once... so far.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Processor: (n.) a device for converting sense to nonsense at the speed
           of electricity, or (rarely) the reverse.

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Re: [gentoo-user] No more mythtv for Gentoo users?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 17:20:50 -0500, Willie Wong wrote:

> Precisely, I hate to imagine what kind of a system will Neil decide to
> call "Wowbagger". 

I've not used one yet, but I did have a laptop call Eccentrica :)


-- 
Neil Bothwick

WinErr 007: System price error - Inadequate money spent on hardware

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Re: [gentoo-user] No more mythtv for Gentoo users?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thursday 04 March 2010 03:28:27 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 22:07:22 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > > % ssh mythtv@agrajag uptime
> > > > 
> > > >    17:58:52 up 51 days, 16:25,  1 user,  load average: 0.17, 0.10,
> > > > 
> > > > 0.09
> > > 
> > > You call it Agrajag and talk about stability? You big tempter of fate
> > > you.
> > 
> > Wasn't Agrajag the toothless wonder that kept getting accidentally
> > killed by Arthur Dent?
> 
> Yes, all my hostnames are HHGTTG characters. Agrajag never crashes and
> has only died once... so far.

This notebook is nazgul, not because I'm a LOTR fan (which I am) but because 
it ties in nicely with the BOFH image I've been cultivating for years


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] No more mythtv for Gentoo users?

[Roy Wright]

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On Mar 4, 2010, at 1:35 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> 
> This notebook is nazgul, not because I'm a LOTR fan (which I am) but because 
> it ties in nicely with the BOFH image I've been cultivating for years
> 

Thanks for bringing back old memories, it's been almost two decades since I read BOFH.  ;)



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Re: [gentoo-user] No more mythtv for Gentoo users?

[Alex Schuster]

Neil Bothwick writes:

> > Wasn't Agrajag the toothless wonder that kept getting accidentally
> > killed by Arthur Dent?
> 
> Yes, all my hostnames are HHGTTG characters. Agrajag never crashes and
> has only died once... so far.

Uh, makes me wonder if I am along your hosts, too?

	Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] No more mythtv for Gentoo users?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:44:49 +0100, Alex Schuster wrote:

> > Yes, all my hostnames are HHGTTG characters. Agrajag never crashes and
> > has only died once... so far.  
> 
> Uh, makes me wonder if I am along your hosts, too?
> 
> 	Wonko

Surely you'd know if you were :)


-- 
Neil Bothwick

We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million
typewriters will eventually reproduce the works of Shakespeare.
Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true.

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I want my old Myth theme back! [WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Re: No more mythtv for Gentoo users?]

[Michael Sullivan]

I upgraded to mythtv-0.22_p23069.  Went through the whole song-and-dance
of repairing the database for the utf8 to latin1 thing, and now it's
finally back up.  Except for one tiny problem.  My G.A.N.T. theme is
gone.  I can't even select it as a theme.  Is there some way to get it
back?  I liked the plain gray background, the fact that I could tell at
a glance what was recording and what I had manually set not to record.
And the fact that a generic episode was easily distinguished from a
specific episode (I usually manually set generic episodes not to record,
but now I have to take extra time to find each episode and check that
it's not generic.  :(  I'm also not happy that they changed the order of
options.
-Michael Sullivan-

Re: I want my old Myth theme back! [WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Re: No more mythtv for Gentoo users?]

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 11:08:25 -0600, Michael Sullivan wrote:

> I upgraded to mythtv-0.22_p23069.  Went through the whole song-and-dance
> of repairing the database for the utf8 to latin1 thing, and now it's
> finally back up.  Except for one tiny problem.  My G.A.N.T. theme is
> gone.  I can't even select it as a theme.  Is there some way to get it
> back?

Apparently not. The theme engine was completely rewritten for 0.22, to
give more flexibility and options, and G.A.N.T. was not ported. The jos
of free software, if a dev gets bored with something, they just stop.

> I'm also not happy that they changed the order of
> options.

Neither was I at first, but once I got the hang of the new layout, I find
it faster to use. Adding videos is an extreme example that was a real
hassle in older versions but a trivial task now.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Snacktrek, n.:
 The peculiar habit, when searching for a snack, of constantly
 returning to the refrigerator in hopes that something new will have
 materialized.

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