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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/68.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.14 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E168B6C5852C6247C90FD945" X-Archives-Salt: be84b50c-e91e-4154-a465-9e7da3447422 X-Archives-Hash: fb79002c275d579b703a1c6b2b5b3af1 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E168B6C5852C6247C90FD945 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 9:08 PM Dale > wrote: > > > 2:  Hardware change.  The Dell comes with a 100MB network card.  I > > ordered a 1GB card.  I plan to put it in when it gets here.  Will it see > > the new card and work automatically or will it take some work to get the > > network going?  On my Gentoo rig, I have to enable drivers in the kernel > > and recompile.  I'm not sure about BSD tho.  Since it is sort of a > > binary thing, does TrueNAS handle hardware changes such as a network > > card well? > > > At the risk of repeating a bit of what Frank said I'll put in my 2 > cents as a > TrueNAS user. No intention to be snarky on my side, just pointing > a few things out. > > 1) Welcome to the world of "not Gentoo". What I think you are describing > as a 'binary thing' is, for the most part, the way we work out here. > > 2) I disagree with your description of how "it's done" in Gentoo Land. You > made a choice to put your network driver in the kernel. You could have > built it as a module and loaded that module. Both would have worked. > > 3) Out here in Not Gentoo Land (NGL) they supply you with 100's of > modules and generally installers figure out which ones to load. My main  > NGL machine has literally over 100 modules loaded. I don't know what  > they do (for the most part) and mostly I don't care. > > 4) While I cannot tell you if the card you ordered has a Linux or FreeBSD > driver, I can point out that on the left hand side of your TrueNAS  > dashboard, accessible in your browser hopefully, there is a pulldown > called 'Network'. It should hopefully show you the current network > interface which in my case is called 're0'. On the right you might, > hopefully > possibly see a big blue button called "ADD". Consider giving that button  > a push after you've installed your new card. > >    I believe you will get this figured out very soon. Continue exploring > the NGL world.  > > Mark 1:  The binary thing is a distro or package that I don't compile myself.  So, yea, not Gentoo.  2:  True for some I guess.  The only module I have is my video drivers.  I build everything else I need into the kernel.  It's how I learned to do it ages ago and so far, it works really well.  BSD tho may do that a different way.  I played with BSD once years ago.  I been doing the Gentoo way for a LOT longer.  Last binary distro I used was Mandrake and it changed names a long time ago I think.  3:  That's what I'm hoping for but with no recent BSD experience and not able to find info with google, I hoped someone who used TrueNAS or BSD would know how its done.  A couple people did.  ;-)  4:  I have a monitor hooked up still so I can do it the text way if needed.  It mentions about setting up the network as one of the options.  Since you mentioned it has a GUI option, I may just do that.  So long as it works.  Thanks for the info.  It helped.  Dale :-)  :-)  --------------E168B6C5852C6247C90FD945 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Mark Knecht wrote:


On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 9:08 PM Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
<SNIP>
> 2:  Hardware change.  The Dell comes with a 100MB network card.  I
> ordered a 1GB card.  I plan to put it in when it gets here.  Will it see
> the new card and work automatically or will it take some work to get the
> network going?  On my Gentoo rig, I have to enable drivers in the kernel
> and recompile.  I'm not sure about BSD tho.  Since it is sort of a
> binary thing, does TrueNAS handle hardware changes such as a network
> card well?
<SNIP>

At the risk of repeating a bit of what Frank said I'll put in my 2 cents as a
TrueNAS user. No intention to be snarky on my side, just pointing
a few things out.

1) Welcome to the world of "not Gentoo". What I think you are describing
as a 'binary thing' is, for the most part, the way we work out here.

2) I disagree with your description of how "it's done" in Gentoo Land. You
made a choice to put your network driver in the kernel. You could have
built it as a module and loaded that module. Both would have worked.

3) Out here in Not Gentoo Land (NGL) they supply you with 100's of
modules and generally installers figure out which ones to load. My main 
NGL machine has literally over 100 modules loaded. I don't know what 
they do (for the most part) and mostly I don't care.

4) While I cannot tell you if the card you ordered has a Linux or FreeBSD
driver, I can point out that on the left hand side of your TrueNAS 
dashboard, accessible in your browser hopefully, there is a pulldown
called 'Network'. It should hopefully show you the current network
interface which in my case is called 're0'. On the right you might, hopefully
possibly see a big blue button called "ADD". Consider giving that button 
a push after you've installed your new card.

   I believe you will get this figured out very soon. Continue exploring
the NGL world. 

Mark


1:  The binary thing is a distro or package that I don't compile myself.  So, yea, not Gentoo. 

2:  True for some I guess.  The only module I have is my video drivers.  I build everything else I need into the kernel.  It's how I learned to do it ages ago and so far, it works really well.  BSD tho may do that a different way.  I played with BSD once years ago.  I been doing the Gentoo way for a LOT longer.  Last binary distro I used was Mandrake and it changed names a long time ago I think. 

3:  That's what I'm hoping for but with no recent BSD experience and not able to find info with google, I hoped someone who used TrueNAS or BSD would know how its done.  A couple people did.  ;-) 

4:  I have a monitor hooked up still so I can do it the text way if needed.  It mentions about setting up the network as one of the options.  Since you mentioned it has a GUI option, I may just do that.  So long as it works. 

Thanks for the info.  It helped. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 
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