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Roeleveld" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory? Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 08:54:59 +0100 Message-ID: <7763320.CazGXs96DZ@andromeda> In-Reply-To: <4d3facb7-abec-2c0e-7fd0-02e2daee3f95@gmail.com> References: <6582741.F9gJHCEsXr@dell_xps> <87po7jjzth.fsf@nyu.edu> <4d3facb7-abec-2c0e-7fd0-02e2daee3f95@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Archives-Salt: c59f76d1-1b4c-45da-885a-6804d203b9d8 X-Archives-Hash: 2a075c81e1cca2b9ff9c2735a2e4bc6f On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 9:06:29 AM CET Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 13/12/2017 01:23, allan gottlieb wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 11 2017, Jorge Almeida wrote: > >> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Canek Pel=E1ez Vald=E9s =20 wrote: > >>> Just my two cents. I will not answer any reply to my little contribut= ion > >>> to > >>> this thread; > >>=20 > >> Good. I can't remember any intervention from you that I would miss. > >=20 > > That makes one of us. > >=20 > > As a gnome user I needed to use systemd when gnome-3 came about. While > > I have nothing useful to say pro or con about systemd, I strongly > > believe Canek has contributed a number of helpful comments to this > > group. >=20 > Yes, this. >=20 > Some historical correctnesses about Canek: >=20 > - He has been here for years > - He has contributed here for years > - He supports systemd and has offered more help and explanation about > systemd to it's users on this list than any other single person, bar none > - He has never, not once, slagged off SysV Init, OpenRC or any other > init system, ot the creators or the users > - He has never posted rude or inflamatory comments about anyone arguing > against him > - He has never resorted to ad-hominem and never posted any knee jerk > opinions about any other poster wrt their stance on init systems +1 I may not agree with Canek on all things: =2D I do dislike systemd, especially on Centos where disabling services doe= sn't=20 always work past a reboot =2D Users who can't write code also have a right to be heard and their wish= es=20 should still be honestly considered But the conversations have always been civil. And information from him has= =20 always been helpful. He is one of the few people on this list whose comment= s I=20 read and who I do miss when there isn't something for a while. > If we look at the reverse we see a very different picture, and it's > right here in this very thread. To the poster who rudely commented about > Canek being a professor and that doesn't make him right and that he is > one voice, step back pal and take a very long hard look at what you > said. Yes, it doesn't make him right. Also doesn't make him wrong. His > posts and the content are what make him right or wrong. There truly are > fan bois on this list, but Canek is not one of them. It's the > systemd-haters and Poeterring-haters who are being fan bois, painting > all detractors with the same brush. Canek bases his "being a fan of systemd" on what he needs and wants from a= =20 computer. For him, systemd fits that requirement perfectly. > Frankly, I'm amazed Canek is still here considering the amount of abuse > he takes from this list. He must have thick skin or maybe dealing with > detractors is a crucial part of academic training. I myself would have > rage quitted a long time ago but he is still here. >=20 > A good healthy dose of manners like your Mama taught you is in short > supply around here right now. +1 (again)