From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EmQ6x-0005sR-AC for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:27:35 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jBE6QcMT023485; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:26:38 GMT Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBE6K4kU029862 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:20:04 GMT Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so39937wri for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:20:03 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PxNe+8v//jAjIKnuNucZZSNWXNRJSaTdNXTEoaaVR1qNNSdtIV1vXK62NpGOxmJgwQGovxuQbO/0eYWMfHqYQzgSob0wTaRTDQRyOFa/rDX5sUJDUVvqdxvarHCAzmUNjDEynI00XdXUVmHVEz0NrxpY0M4lmPLTGIJtUpsfTTs= Received: by 10.54.122.19 with SMTP id u19mr279844wrc; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:20:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.69.9 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:20:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7573e9640512132220r4b7a4389l35379482f931ea62@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:20:03 -0700 From: Richard Fish Sender: richard.j.fish@gmail.com To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is there and Alternative to compiling kde? In-Reply-To: <200512140307.jBE37qRJ013177@robin.gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <342e1090512091746g221fb5b7o4d878de8f74bb791@mail.gmail.com> <200512140307.jBE37qRJ013177@robin.gentoo.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by robin.gentoo.org id jBE6K4kU029862 X-Archives-Salt: 8f03fb14-0396-4274-9356-6c4badaa328e X-Archives-Hash: 90f10485a99f5f9bc0161512da9ed940 On 12/13/05, Daevid Vincent wrote: > I fully agree (and have brought this up before months and years ago) -- I > believe we should have binaries available for the big packages like KDE, OO, > Gnome, etc. Ya'll that like to waste your time compiling can keep on doing > that, while the rest of us would like to get some work done. In practice, I think the only way this could be accomplished is if Gentoo had actual releases, due to the dependancies. For example, take KDE and X. KDE 3.5 is stabilized this week, so you download binaries of that. Now two weeks later modular X.org 7.0 is stabilized. So now you have to download all new binaries of KDE3.5 built against the new version of X.org, plus OOo, Gnome, or whatever other X packages you have installed. Then a week later a new gcc is released, and you have to go through this again, because they all depend on libstdc++. And all of these releases have to be carefully coordinated by the developers, since you can't have a binary download of the new X.org until the new KDE and GNOME builds are ready, and you have to update all of the dependency versions for every release, because now release -r2 of KDE-bin requires =xorg-server-bin-6.8.2* || =xorg-server-6.8.2*, while -r3 requires 7.0. My guess is that these binary releases wouldn't happen until a planned 'update cycle', when everything would be updated at once. And now you have the same features/problems as Fedora, Ubuntu, etc. Note that the current binary releases of OOo cheat...they install private versions of most dependancies. So the -bin comes with it's own version of python, java, libstdc++, etc. Aside from the complete waste of disk space (which is still very limited and expensive on a laptop, as you know), trying to keep up with security advisories with this approach does not sound like any fun to me. What happens if a new security bug is found is libjpeg, for example, and there are 15 different packages with private versions of libjpeg? -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list