From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 147CA138330 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2016 21:01:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B6804E0C34; Sat, 24 Sep 2016 21:01:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gw2.antarean.org (gw2.antarean.org [141.105.125.208]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96175E0C06 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2016 21:01:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gw2.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B621204DC for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2016 20:57:31 +0000 () X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at antarean.org Received: from gw2.antarean.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gw2.antarean.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jvHqQGwbNQTT for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2016 20:57:30 +0000 Received: from data.antarean.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gw2.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD681204DA for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2016 20:57:30 +0000 () Received: from lan016.nl.antarean.org (lan016.nl.antarean.org [10.20.13.116]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8B6F44C for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2016 22:57:51 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <57E6E820.2040806@gmail.com> References: <1540740994.4100933.1474748884633.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1540740994.4100933.1474748884633@mail.yahoo.com> <57E6E820.2040806@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New Install From: "J. Roeleveld" Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2016 21:01:13 +0000 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <7484992C-CD96-45E2-A995-67AFEFF4DDD8@antarean.org> X-Archives-Salt: 04ceb9b7-c51a-426c-9a6d-3b359c031d9a X-Archives-Hash: 6568e1307a894785df5e94be05ae3ddb On September 24, 2016 10:54:56 PM GMT+02:00, Dale wrote: >Well, you said you hadn't set up any users and their passwords. That >is >part of the install process and is in the guide. You are told to set >up >the root password in one section and to set up a user and its password >in another section. At the very least, you missed those two parts and >that isn't a assumption, it's based on what you posted. What else you >missed I'm not sure and most likely, no one else is either. Rich >posted >that he thinks you missed a whole section which may or may not be >correct but we do know you missed at least a couple steps Given enough >information, someone may be able to figure it out tho. Dale, You should know better. Please don't make it worse by top-posting even more. >From what I understand from this nightmare of a messy thread, the OP seems to be looking for an install-script/tool. This does not exist other than the simple to follow handbook. -- Joost > > > >Christopher Robinson wrote: >> Dale, >> >> Your assumption that I missed a section is entirely offbase and does >not respond to >> my original question. I could say that you are missing the point of >what I asked. >> For those who have had helpful suggestions I give thanks. >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------- >> On Sat, 9/24/16, Dale wrote: >> >> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New Install >> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org >> Date: Saturday, September 24, 2016, 4:17 PM >> >> Again, top posting to >> follow his lead. >> >> It's >> not a fight. It's just called being prepared. >> Missing a section >> isn't going to give >> you a proper install. It's one reason I always >> recommend a person read the docs several >> times. The reason for that, if >> something >> doesn't seem right, you will more than likely notice it >> and go >> back and figure out what was >> missed. The fact that I don't see a >> all-in-one page guide isn't helping you >> any. If it was on one page, >> even as a >> option for those who don't like it, then you likely >> wouldn't >> have missed a section. Just >> start at the top and work your way down. >> Maybe after this, someone will see the need for >> at least some of us to >> have it all in one >> long page. Maybe Rich can whisper in someone's >> ear. I guess printing it and >> putting it in order would work but that >> means a lot of typing when a lot of times, a >> copy and paste will be >> easier. >> >> Thing is, it's hard to >> tell what was wrong because no one knew you >> missed a section, I suspect Neil did sort of >> figure that to be the case >> tho which is why >> he replied with what he did. What we do know, if you >> follow the guide, you should get a bootable >> system. It may not be 100% >> perfect but it >> should boot at least. Gentoo has some excellent docs, >> especially the install part. Unless you have >> some pretty odd hardware, >> it should work. >> >> >> One thing I learned the >> hard way. Pretty much no matter what you may >> mess up, you can chroot in and go back and fix >> it. Just boot using >> whatever media you >> selected, follow the mount and chroot section and >> then correct whatever is wrong. You do NOT >> have to start from scratch >> most of the >> time. You'd have to have made a boo boo in the very >> early >> stages to end up doing that. >> >> I'm just hoping you can >> fix this easily and finish your install. :-) >> >> Dale >> >> :-) :-) >> >> >> Christopher Robinson wrote: >> > I don't really want to get into a >> fight, but some of the replies-not Rich's- are >> missing >> > the point I am raising. To then >> disparage me is unworthy for a support list. >> > >> -------------------------------------------- >> > On Sat, 9/24/16, Dale >> wrote: >> > >> > Subject: >> Re: [gentoo-user] New Install >> > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org >> > Date: Saturday, September 24, 2016, 3:44 >> PM >> > >> > Rich >> Freeman wrote: >> > > On Sat, Sep 24, >> 2016 at 11:35 AM, Dale >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Actually, he is correct. >> > > >> Actually, he isn't, which is hard to >> > demonstrate since everybody is >> top-posting. >> > >> > >> Actually he is and your reply >> > >> supports that point. Also, I top posted >> > because he did and I posted that >> reasoning. >> > I'm sure he will get >> around >> > to bottom >> > posting when he gets his install done. >> Who knows what he >> > is >> > using at the moment. >> > > >> > >> On >> Saturday, >> > September 24, 2016 9:47 AM, >> Neil Bothwick >> > >> wrote: >> > >> >> >> > >> You need to read >> chapter 1 of the >> > Gentoo handbook from >> start to finish, >> > >> then read >> it again. >> > > The handbook >> doesn't have chapters. >> > The step >> that was missed was well >> > > into >> > the process. >> > >> > >> > >> > If he >> was reading and following the install >> > >> guide, how did he do that >> > when he >> missed a >> > whole section? Obviously, >> he wasn't following it >> > since >> > he missed the section. When I did >> my >> > first install well over a >> decade >> > ago, I read >> > that thing at least three of four times >> to even see if I >> > wanted to try >> Gentoo. During my last install >> > on >> my new rig a few years >> > ago, I read >> it >> > twice even tho it was mostly the >> same. Installing >> > Gentoo >> > isn't easy but it is very hard >> > when you are not familiar enough with >> the >> > process to even realize you >> missed a whole >> > section. If you >> follow the >> > guide and >> > don't miss anything, it should >> work. The only major >> > set back >> > you can have is a badly configured >> > kernel that won't complete the >> boot >> > process. I might add, this is >> also why I >> > prefer a one page guide. >> >> > Start at the top >> > and work your way to the bottom. Very >> little chance of >> > missing anything >> then. >> > >> > Now >> that he knows he missed a section, maybe he >> > can chroot into it, do >> > that section and >> > >> finish the install. That is unless his mobo blows out. >> > :/ >> > >> > Dale >> > >> > :-) :-) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.