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From: Stroller <stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:00:44 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <734BA27D-F65B-48E9-A198-9BD9B7587A65@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48676c74.Ps41+lT9sQIWOLyS%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de>


On 29 Jun 2008, at 12:05, Joerg Schilling wrote:

> Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Stroller wants to hear *your* point of view. As a token of respect  
>> for
>> all the users of your software (the original, not the fork) who are
>> here and reading this, could you please just describe your position,
>> and omit all references as to why other points of view are wrong.
>
> He wrote that he is pissed off...
>
> If he did not attack me, then he at least does not care whether he  
> could.

I wrote that the *thread* - digressing from useful discussion about  
software tools and into religion - was pissing me off.

I asked because I wanted to hear your point of view and your reason  
(for changing license to CDDL). This is not very obvious when  
searching the web, and the reason given on your website (which I only  
found after asking the question) is somewhat vague.

Why is the CDDL "more free" and why do you particularly like it?

I wanted to hear your opinion and what you wanted to say - I was  
genuinely interested in your side of the story. Considering how much  
else you've written in this thread that seems little enough to ask.

When I searched the web I rather expected to find loads of mailing- 
list posts, blog entries and other articles and that half of them  
would announce what a rotter you are, the other half how poor old  
Joerg has been stitched up. But it is NOT so obvious from Googling.

Since this is the case you would benefit your case by explaining  
better on your website.

As I told you already I might quite aggressively support your  
software if you would just make the effort to convince me. No one  
else on this list mistook my question for antagonism. I deliberately  
tried to be polite and tactful when asking you, and it did me no good  
at all! Frankly, therefore, I can see why everyone is "against you"  
if you insist on misconstruing an innocent question as an attack. If  
my example is anything to go by then I can only assume that the whole  
Debian and Bloch fiasco is the result of your own over-reaction  
(sorry to be so honest about how I see things!).

Stroller.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-06-29 19:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-25 20:21 [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's Yoav Luft
2008-06-25 21:01 ` Uwe Thiem
2008-06-25 21:50   ` John covici
2008-06-26  9:46     ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-26 10:23       ` John covici
2008-06-26 10:53         ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-26 11:06           ` John covici
2008-06-26 11:16             ` Mark Kirkwood
2008-06-26 11:20               ` Mark Kirkwood
2008-06-26 11:34                 ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-26 11:57                   ` John covici
2008-06-26 12:15                     ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-01 11:08                       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-26 21:09                   ` Mark Kirkwood
2008-06-26 21:23                     ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-26 22:32                       ` Mark Kirkwood
2008-06-27  8:30                         ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-01 11:16                           ` [gentoo-user] OT: intentionally broken media Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-03  8:55                             ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-03 23:23                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-04 10:32                                 ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-04 21:12                                   ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-07 11:51                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-27  9:00                       ` [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's Alan McKinnon
2008-06-27  9:25                         ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-27  9:50                           ` Stroller
2008-06-27  9:57                             ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-27 10:06                               ` Stroller
2008-06-27 18:50                               ` Daniel Iliev
2008-06-27 22:20                                 ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-27 22:53                                   ` b.n.
2008-06-28  9:12                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-28  1:41                                   ` Daniel Iliev
2008-06-28  9:26                                     ` Stroller
2008-06-28 11:02                                       ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-28 11:54                                         ` b.n.
2008-06-28 20:59                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-29  1:11                                             ` b.n.
2008-06-29  1:55                                               ` Mark Kirkwood
2008-06-29  9:42                                                 ` b.n.
2008-06-29 10:02                                                   ` Alan McKinnon
2008-06-29 10:46                                                   ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-29 12:29                                                     ` b.n.
2008-06-29 13:26                                                       ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-29 16:28                                                         ` b.n.
2008-06-30 15:46                                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-30 21:50                                                             ` b.n.
2008-06-30 22:13                                                               ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-30 23:15                                                                 ` b.n.
2008-06-30 23:28                                                                   ` Mike Edenfield
2008-07-01  9:22                                                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-01  7:44                                                                   ` Neil Bothwick
2008-07-03  3:42                                                               ` Aaron Clark
2008-07-03 12:03                                                                 ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found]                                                       ` <48678d82.rmfIMzIpF6v323D6%Joerg.Sch illing@fokus.fraunhofer.de>
2008-06-29 14:49                                                         ` [gentoo-user] " James
2008-06-28 12:10                                         ` [gentoo-user] " Volker Armin Hemmann
2008-06-28 12:36                                         ` Alan McKinnon
2008-06-29 11:05                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-29 11:47                                             ` Sascha Hlusiak
2008-06-29 13:18                                               ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-29 14:02                                                 ` Sascha Hlusiak
2008-06-29 19:10                                                 ` Stroller
2008-06-30 16:08                                                   ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-30 17:29                                                     ` brullo nulla
2008-07-01  8:52                                                       ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-29 19:00                                             ` Stroller [this message]
2008-06-30 16:01                                               ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-28 16:41                                         ` Stroller
2008-06-28 10:06                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-28 11:47                                       ` b.n.
2008-06-28 20:33                                         ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-29  0:00                                           ` Daniel Iliev
2008-06-29 12:02                                             ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-29 16:51                                               ` Daniel Iliev
2008-06-28 18:33                                       ` Daniel Iliev
2008-06-29  9:50                                         ` Alan McKinnon
2008-06-29 11:37                                         ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-29 16:18                                           ` Daniel Iliev
2008-06-29 16:23                                             ` Daniel Iliev
2008-06-29 23:43                                           ` Sebastian Günther
2008-06-30  8:47                                             ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-30 18:24                                               ` Sebastian Günther
2008-07-01 12:26                                                 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-01 12:18                                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-01 11:44                                         ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-01 17:12                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-01 18:39                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-27  9:54                           ` Alan McKinnon
2008-07-01 11:39                           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-01 17:06                             ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-03 22:55                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-26 11:16             ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-26 13:29             ` Neil Bothwick
2008-07-01 11:05           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-28 12:14         ` Mick
2008-06-28 12:25           ` John covici
2008-06-29 10:51           ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-27  9:21       ` Yoav Luft
2008-06-27  9:27         ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-01 11:02       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-01 17:15         ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-03 23:35           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-04 10:33             ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-04 13:34               ` John covici
2008-07-04 13:51                 ` Daniel Pielmeier
2008-07-04 21:08               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-07 11:42                 ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-26  5:53   ` Stroller
2008-06-26  7:53     ` Neil Bothwick
2008-06-26 12:08   ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2008-06-26 13:38     ` Uwe Thiem
2008-06-26 15:00       ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-26  1:38 ` W.Kenworthy
2008-06-26 10:21   ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-26  3:26 ` Mark Shields

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