From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1Ezy6X-0002Bh-P6 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:23:10 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0KFErYc009343; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:14:53 GMT Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.195]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0KF3DcD001506 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:03:13 GMT Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h29so306791wxd for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:03:12 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Fs8uPEGKGkh4dOQq7MuKb657dPoUh9UhLFVhAMYZ9F1J/r3hkxfDFxcd0O4GvxE3LGDCbevTaW2z/jaDl60uahvdRoYqvIn/toPEXN1Fd+xkk7UTkQImx5t7o530soHArN3tk9Iv1yXQlhTD7NHOLaEZ/yKBUTwPTjjL0rUVGWU= Received: by 10.70.100.7 with SMTP id x7mr2259867wxb; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:03:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.67.15 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:03:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7225537e0601200703m6f70dd61hb83575b375ea3cb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:03:12 -0500 From: Shawn Singh To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE? In-Reply-To: <43D0F3CF.1010800@planet.nl> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7381_5270358.1137769392529" References: <1137748213.12685.7.camel@localhost> <20060120093224.53605182@krikkit.digimed.co.uk> <43D0F3CF.1010800@planet.nl> X-Archives-Salt: 5ba42fb0-18c5-44eb-80de-79b1d57e4076 X-Archives-Hash: 32cce02bee5ed508e1d2d7728a337ba4 ------=_Part_7381_5270358.1137769392529 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline My wife and I use KDE. I, mainly because I don't see the point in having multiple GUIs (they're not that facinating to me (other than to get into th= e source code), but for my wife, I find that for someone coming from using Windows, it seems that out of the box, KDE seems to have a stronger appeal to her than Gnome. Although, the environment she really took to was XFCE (though it's not a choice in this discussion). In looking at Holly's post, I'm inclined to agree. Being that most of the stuff I do (besides surf the net), but things like programming, moving files, your general admin stuff, configuration changes, etc I (like most of us here --probably) do from a command-line. My selling point for the command-line is I don't have to learn any new menu= s to use it ;), but to each his own. Shawn On 1/20/06, Holly Bostick wrote: > > Neil Bothwick schreef: > > On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:10:13 +0800, Linux Java wrote: > > > >> I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular. > > > > Why? Use whatever suits you. > > > > I hope that you all appreciate my extreme restraint in not posting to > this thread until now, given how very much I dislike KDE. > > But for the record, just so that all you KDE-heads don't skew the > results com*plete*ly: > > I always (from my first attempts at Linux some 3 years ago) preferred > GNOME to KDE. Never liked Nautilus, though (it's tied for second on my > list of "most hated file managers"), and since I've never been fond of > desktop icons and all that cr... junk... I still found it too heavy. So I > switched to Openbox 3 (with a GTK "backend"), and now I use fvwm-crystal > (with a GTK "backend"). Gnome-light is (always) installed, but I don't > use it as a desktop. > > I have only two KDE-specific applications that I would not do without > (both compiled -kde and -arts to the greatest extent possible): Krusader > (though this needs Konq and some other KDE utils for best usage, as it > recognizes KDE apps much much better than GTK apps for viewing files and > the like), and K3b. These apps require kdebase, so I've got that, but > the day you see me logging into KDE, you can rest assured that either: > > 1) my system is so seriously broke that it's the only DE/WM I can get > into (which is pretty unlikely. I mean, I've got iceWM and *afterstep* > on the system, for Pete's sake; the day that doesn't work but KDE does > will be... "The" day); > > or > > 2) I have been replaced by an alien clone (shoot first, ask questions > later). > > I prefer to use GTK-based applications wherever possible because I find > them more attractive in general, and I'm more used to them (as a GNOME > user originally), unless they're junk, like Totem, in which case I use > "non-affiliated" programs like Xine or mPlayer. Yes, I know Totem can be > configured to use a Xine backend. Imo, there's no point; if that's the > only way Totem works, I might as well just use Xine. Plus I want to see > when gStreamer gets its act together. However I have no objection to > QT-based apps (as opposed to KDE apps) when necessary. It does need to > be "necessary", though (meaning, if I need it, I'll install qdvdauthor, > because there's no GTK alternative that I know of, but I can just as > well use the CLI original, unless the GUI version has some additional > feature or makes it easier to understand than the CLI version's man page)= . > > So anyway, Neil is of course right: use what you want; it's *your* > desktop (finally!). I don't need a whole lot of GUI features (in fact I > dislike a whole lot of GUI features), so KDE is not for me, the one who > never liked Windows(-like) desktops, even when I was using Windows; I > used an alternative shell from my Win98 days on. But for those who feel > more comfortable with a more Windows-like environment, and Windows-like > assumptions about what a user wants/needs from their desktop, KDE may be > just the thing; that is, after all, what it's designed to do to a great > extent. > > You can have it, though. I'll be elsewhere. > > Holly > > > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > -- Shawn Singh ------=_Part_7381_5270358.1137769392529 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline My wife and I use KDE. I, mainly because I don't see the point in having multiple GUIs (they're not that facinating to me (other than to get into the source code), but for my wife, I find that for someone coming from using Windows, it seems that out of the box, KDE seems to have a stronger appeal to her than Gnome. Although, the environment she really took to was XFCE (though it's not a choice in this discussion).

In looking at Holly's post, I'm inclined to agree. Being that most of the stuff I do (besides surf the net), but things like programming, moving files, your general admin stuff, configuration changes, etc I (like most of us here --probably) do from a command-line.

My selling point for the command-line is I don't have to learn any new menu= s to use it ;), but to each his own.

Shawn

On 1/20/06, Holly Bostick <motub= @planet.nl> wrote:
Neil Bothwick schreef:
> On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:10:13 +0800, Linux Ja= va wrote:
>
>> I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more p= opular.
>
> Why? Use whatever suits you.
>

I hope = that you all appreciate my extreme restraint in not posting to
this thread until now, given how very much I dislike KDE.

But fo= r the record, just so that all you KDE-heads don't skew the
results com*= plete*ly:

I always (from my first attempts at Linux some 3 years ago= ) preferred
GNOME to KDE. Never liked Nautilus, though (it's tied for second on my<= br>list of "most hated file managers"), and since I've never been= fond of
desktop icons and all that cr... junk... I still found it too h= eavy. So I
switched to Openbox 3 (with a GTK "backend"), and now I use f= vwm-crystal
(with a GTK "backend"). Gnome-light is (always) in= stalled, but I don't
use it as a desktop.

I have only two KDE-spe= cific applications that I would not do without
(both compiled -kde and -arts to the greatest extent possible): Krusade= r
(though this needs Konq and some other KDE utils for best usage, as it=
recognizes KDE apps much much better than GTK apps for viewing files an= d
the like), and K3b. These apps require kdebase, so I've got that, butthe day you see me logging into KDE, you can rest assured that either:
1) my system is so seriously broke that it's the only DE/WM I can get
into (which is pretty unlikely. I mean, I've got iceWM and *afterstep*<= br>on the system, for Pete's sake; the day that doesn't work but KDE doeswill be... "The" day);

or

2) I have been replaced= by an alien clone (shoot first, ask questions
later).

I prefer to use GTK-based applications wherever possible= because I find
them more attractive in general, and I'm more used to th= em (as a GNOME
user originally), unless they're junk, like Totem, in whi= ch case I use
"non-affiliated" programs like Xine or mPlayer. Yes, I know T= otem can be
configured to use a Xine backend. Imo, there's no point; if = that's the
only way Totem works, I might as well just use Xine. Plus I w= ant to see
when gStreamer gets its act together. However I have no objection toQT-based apps (as opposed to KDE apps) when necessary. It does need to
= be "necessary", though (meaning, if I need it, I'll install qdvda= uthor,
because there's no GTK alternative that I know of, but I can just aswell use the CLI original, unless the GUI version has some additional
f= eature or makes it easier to understand than the CLI version's man page).

So anyway, Neil is of course right: use what you want; it's *your*<= br>desktop (finally!). I don't need a whole lot of GUI features (in fact I<= br>dislike a whole lot of GUI features), so KDE is not for me, the one who
never liked Windows(-like) desktops, even when I was using Windows; Iused an alternative shell from my Win98 days on. But for those who feelmore comfortable with a more Windows-like environment, and Windows-like
assumptions about what a user wants/needs from their desktop, KDE may b= e
just the thing; that is, after all, what it's designed to do to a grea= t
extent.

You can have it, though. I'll be elsewhere.

Holly


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