From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1R4W5W-0001iH-C2 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:56:06 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E54F21C0F1; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:55:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.164]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB18321C033 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:54:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.42.152] (helo=smtp20.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R4W4I-0008TR-9n for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 12:54:50 +0200 Received: from 5ed027a1.cm-7-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([94.208.39.161] helo=data.antarean.org) by smtp20.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R4W4H-0001pF-Bj for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 12:54:49 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B906CCF5 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 12:55:03 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at antarean.org Received: from data.antarean.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (data.antarean.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6UaAJlCHaKE9 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 12:55:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eve.localnet (eve.lan.antarean.org [10.20.13.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E403CF4 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 12:55:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Joost Roeleveld To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 12:54:46 +0200 Message-ID: <7157038.ov7iz04hC6@eve> User-Agent: KMail/4.7.1 (Linux/2.6.36-gentoo-r5; KDE/4.7.1; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <20110916120016.6f8af9b2@rohan.example.com> References: <20110912150248.GB3599@acm.acm> <3897910.vRcKR581gn@eve> <20110916120016.6f8af9b2@rohan.example.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1R4W4H-0001pF-Bj X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: geen spam, SpamAssassin (niet cached, score=-0.692, vereist 5, BAYES_00 -1.90, KHOP_DYNAMIC 0.73, RDNS_DYNAMIC 0.98, RP_MATCHES_RCVD -0.50) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: joost@antarean.org X-Spam-Status: No X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 48585aba3a308b4d4c4f967a199ade00 On Friday, September 16, 2011 12:00:16 PM Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:46:02 +0200 > > Joost Roeleveld wrote: > > > Anyway, Debian is the only "big" distro recommending separated /usr, > > > and then only for multiuser setups. It's really years since I've > > > looked at the recommended partition schemes: when I started using > > > Linux, a separated /home was almost a must. And we had tiny hard > > > drives then. Now get out of my lawn. > > > > Gentoo still has some guides recommending split /usr: > > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86+raid+lvm2-quickinstall.xml > > > > There are several people using this type of layout. > > The suggested partitioning scheme is usually for beginner > > installations. Not necessarily for larger installations with specific > > requirements. > > Using layout suggestions from install docs to justify what the udev > maintainers want to do is simply disingenuous. I referenced that asa response to the list of "distro-guides". > > The install docs are obviously a guideline only and do not form any > sort of requirement. That is obvious to anyone with some experience in > the field. Anyone suggesting otherwise is either being hyper-literal or > is following some sneaky agenda. Either way, neither type should be > allowed anywhere near policy making as their goals conflict with the > community. I agree and I used my example to point out that any layout that is used by a few people is likely to be documented somewhere on the internet. > > The debian guide talks about 20GB drives. I don't have those anymore. > > the smallest drive I have is a 320GB IDE-drive for the database > > server in the lab. > > I need 73G SCSI drives for some old servers still running, they cost a > fortune from Dell. The nice man from Dell sales tells me they haven't > had 20G drives in the stores for years and years, he mentioned numbers > like "5" or "8" Yes, the 320GB disk is in a machine that was written off by some company about 4 or 5 years ago. Not sure how long that company used it before they got rid of it. -- Joost