From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <gentoo-user+bounces-191871-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org> Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 002651382C5 for <garchives@archives.gentoo.org>; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 14:52:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2AADAE09C7; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 14:52:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gw.thundermail.uk (mail-gw.thundermail.uk [149.255.60.71]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B940AE0957 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 14:52:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailgw01.thundermail.uk (mail-gw.thundermail.uk [149.255.60.66]) by mail-gw.thundermail.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 568016030C0F for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 15:52:52 +0100 (BST) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1591973571-05541315a7267be10001-LfjuLa Received: from cloud307.thundercloud.uk (cloud307.thundercloud.uk [149.255.58.40]) by mailgw01.thundermail.uk with ESMTP id T3npZpc7aBgVXlAw (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 15:52:51 +0100 (BST) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: confabulate@kintzios.com X-Barracuda-Effective-Source-IP: cloud307.thundercloud.uk[149.255.58.40] X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 149.255.58.40 Received: from lenovo.localdomain (230.3.169.217.in-addr.arpa [217.169.3.230]) by cloud307.thundercloud.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 86205C34858 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 15:52:50 +0100 (BST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kintzios.com; s=default; t=1591973571; bh=RyX9Fk8e4G9rV6XSSfcg2EVLL1MA01w9mu4576NGMp8=; h=From:To:Subject; b=NrcUYgwPoZX97upSlvpOvdjlhRguG07h12lAcT30I8TR3MwpYwq9DbX+fTietFTKE XkVY48vKPii2XYF6XStIOO4tTcBB6OoWQ/ODNF0hKuBCWdBoVEvoPcYMcm5FAs/wts 6nR6M8LG7jfIlT1mLerrjkvukwKRvabMExK0o4Pg= Authentication-Results: cloud307.thundercloud.uk; spf=pass (sender IP is 217.169.3.230) smtp.mailfrom=confabulate@kintzios.com smtp.helo=lenovo.localdomain Received-SPF: pass (cloud307.thundercloud.uk: connection is authenticated) From: Michael <confabulate@kintzios.com> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] "masked by: EAPI 7" trying up update "portage" - how to proceed Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 15:52:50 +0100 X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [gentoo-user] "masked by: EAPI 7" trying up update "portage" - how to proceed Message-ID: <7111842.EvYhyI6sBW@lenovo.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <21dfc4e9-5fbf-4128-66c5-f1a58bb3bf43@web.de> References: <9ed9c401-7066-9c6d-8ce4-2ee94a1b903e@web.de> <2027654.irdbgypaU6@lenovo.localdomain> <21dfc4e9-5fbf-4128-66c5-f1a58bb3bf43@web.de> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3534692.kQq0lBPeGt"; micalg="pgp-sha256"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-PPP-Message-ID: <20200612145250.2141684.25216@cloud307.thundercloud.uk> X-PPP-Vhost: kintzios.com X-Barracuda-Connect: cloud307.thundercloud.uk[149.255.58.40] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1591973571 X-Barracuda-Encrypted: ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 X-Barracuda-URL: https://149.255.60.66:443/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at thundermail.uk X-Barracuda-Scan-Msg-Size: 3999 X-Barracuda-BRTS-Status: 1 X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=1.9 tests= X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.3.82502 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- X-Archives-Salt: 174207ae-8925-43e2-83bb-4a1477d7b37e X-Archives-Hash: 2038c8a534f0fa265d02ebad2bdd4d28 --nextPart3534692.kQq0lBPeGt Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Friday, 12 June 2020 15:44:05 BST n952162 wrote: > On 2020-06-12 16:38, Michael wrote: > > On Friday, 12 June 2020 15:00:25 BST Jack wrote: > >> On 6/12/20 9:49 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > >>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 4:00 AM n952162 <n952162@web.de> wrote: > >>>> On 2020-06-12 08:40, n952162 wrote: > >>>>>> BTW, is it becoming clear why it is best to update Gentoo at least > >>>>>> ever few months? :) > >>>>> > >>>>> Well, yes, but it's really pretty onerous. If you have gentoo in > >>>>> embedded systems, you've got to spend considerable administrative > >>>>> effort > >>>>> in each one just maintaining the status quo. > >>>>> > >>>>> I mean, there's no competition to gentoo, of course. But a design > >>>>> goal > >>>>> could be to have a one-step sync, of some sort. > >>>> > >>>> Maybe one way to work in that direction would be to have regular - say, > >>>> yearly - "releases", kind of like other distributions do, but on an > >>>> ebuild basis, re-establishing a common base point. > >>> > >>> Well, you already can just use a snapshot of the repository from any > >>> date in time, though things like patches might not be mirrored any > >>> longer so that isn't a perfect solution. > >>> > >>> Ultimately if there was enough interest in something like this the > >>> solution would probably be another distro that just repackages Gentoo > >>> in a release-based format. Release-based distros have their pros and > >>> cons, but they're definitely a better fit for some problems. > >>> > >>> One of the issues with Gentoo is that it is fairly niche and so you > >>> don't have the manpower to support 47 forks. With Debian you have a > >>> bazillion derivatives - half of them are just bundling a different set > >>> of default packages. Ubuntu has a Desktop and Server version of the > >>> distro, and they also have flavors for various desktop environments. > >>> Gentoo basically has just barely enough manpower to support having > >>> Gentoo. We try to accommodate as much choice as possible in how it > >>> gets used which is why this model works as well as it does. However, > >>> we can't support having a Gentoo flavor that is GPL-only, or GPL-free, > >>> or FOSS-only, or no-systemd-in-the-repo, or initial install optimized > >>> for people who read braille. You can actually tailor Gentoo towards > >>> just about any of those directions with some config file tweaks, but > >>> you can't just pick the one of 300 iso images that most closely fit > >>> your needs and run the autoinstaller and forget about it. > >> > >> What about some sort of tagging? Not bundling or packaging, just > >> occasional (quarterly?) labels, with a matrix indicating how difficult > >> it would be to upgrade. A hint to folks who tend to update less often > >> than they should. A "heads up" that things added or upgraded in the > >> past quarter are going to be very difficult to do if you are starting > >> with something more than three/five/...? quarters older than that. Of > >> course, I suppose if you read the news items as they are released, then > >> you should have a pretty good idea of which of them are likely to bite > >> you if you wait too long. > > > > Perhaps I misunderstand this, but isn't it as simple as booting off a > > LiveCD/ USB, chrooting, changing profiles, cleaning up world file and > > letting rip with a full 'emerge -e' @system, followed by @world for good > > measure? > > Is -e a solution to my situation now? How is booting off a live media > better than an obsolete (or broken) one? I think so. The LiveCD will possess an up to date toolchain you could use straight away. > And, BTW, is there a reason to do @system if that's a subset of @world? To rebuild with the latest gcc and work through any convoluted dependencies cutting across into world. It may not add anything, but other than rebuilding a few packages I don't think it will hurt. --nextPart3534692.kQq0lBPeGt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. 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