[gentoo-user] Switching from Seamonkey to Firefox and Thunderbird

[gentoo-user] Switching from Seamonkey to Firefox and Thunderbird

[Dale]

Howdy,

I have been using Seamonkey as my main web browser and email program for
many years.  Thing is, some sites either don't work right or won't load
at all.  Those same sites work fine in Firefox.  Just the other day,
LastPass started acting weird and I had to remove it.  My plan was to
remove it and then reinstall it, hopefully with a newer version or it
would fix some weird corruption problem.  Well, Seamonkey is no longer
supported.  It won't install at all now. 

Given some of the problems, one recent and some long term, I'm thinking
of switching to Thunderbird and Firefox and removing Seamonkey
completely.  I'm not concerned with Firefox as my browser as I do use it
for certain things.  I know I can export and import my bookmarks and
such and it should be easy.  My concern is moving my emails from
Seamonkey to Thunderbird.  I have tens of thousands of emails going back
a looooong ways.  I've googled and haven't been able to find anything
recent that talks about doing this.  I suspect it will be easy, either a
export and import or just a hand copy from Seamonkey to Thunderbird.  It
may be that it would use the same directory Seamonkey uses and just
works.  That said, I'd like to see if anyone has done this in say the
past year or so since that should work the same, barring some huge
change I'm not aware of. 

Has anyone moved from Seamonkey to Thunderbird recently?  Anyone know of
a howto that I missed?  Anyone know of a reason this just won't work?

Thanks much. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from Seamonkey to Firefox and Thunderbird

[Dale]

Dale wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> [[[SNIP]]]
>
> Has anyone moved from Seamonkey to Thunderbird recently?  Anyone know of
> a howto that I missed?  Anyone know of a reason this just won't work?
>
> Thanks much. 
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-) 
>

After no one replied, I figured either no one ever did this or it must
be really simple and easy.  I took the plunge and started up
Thunderbird.  The first thing that loaded up was a question on if I'd
like to import my old Seamonkey emails.  I answered Yes and it did its
thing.  Given the huge number of emails I have going back over a decade,
it took a while. 

I will add this for future reference.  Before asking it to download new
messages from your email provider, click through each and every folder
and make sure the messages show up in the listing.  I didn't do that at
first and when it checked in and tried to download the new messages, it
gave a error and left it in the default folder.  Also, when you do that,
expect some messages to be marked as unread.  I just right clicked the
folder and told it to mark all as read, since I already have.  I'm not
sure but I think it may do that on messages that were deleted and were
downloaded again or something.  It could be something else tho.  I don't
generally delete messages. 

I would think this would work the same on any Linux distro.  May even
work on windows as well. 

Now to figure out how to tell Thunderbird to open links in Firefox and
which profile as well.  It wants to open in Seamonkey and picks a
profile that is already open which gives the usual error about it being
in use.  Hmmmmm. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from Seamonkey to Firefox and Thunderbird

[Mick]

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On Friday, 5 January 2018 16:39:49 GMT Dale wrote:
> Dale wrote:
> > Howdy,
> > 
> > [[[SNIP]]]
> > 
> > Has anyone moved from Seamonkey to Thunderbird recently?  Anyone know of
> > a howto that I missed?  Anyone know of a reason this just won't work?
> > 
> > Thanks much. 
> > 
> > Dale
> > 
> > :-)  :-) 
> 
> After no one replied, I figured either no one ever did this or it must
> be really simple and easy.  I took the plunge and started up
> Thunderbird.  The first thing that loaded up was a question on if I'd
> like to import my old Seamonkey emails.  I answered Yes and it did its
> thing.  Given the huge number of emails I have going back over a decade,
> it took a while. 

You may have been able to achieve the same by mapping T'bird's paths for mail 
folders to Seamonkey's, but I don't use either so I don't know if this would 
have been a straight forward exercise.


> I will add this for future reference.  Before asking it to download new
> messages from your email provider, click through each and every folder
> and make sure the messages show up in the listing.  I didn't do that at
> first and when it checked in and tried to download the new messages, it
> gave a error and left it in the default folder.  Also, when you do that,
> expect some messages to be marked as unread.  I just right clicked the
> folder and told it to mark all as read, since I already have.  I'm not
> sure but I think it may do that on messages that were deleted and were
> downloaded again or something.  It could be something else tho.  I don't
> generally delete messages. 
> 
> I would think this would work the same on any Linux distro.  May even
> work on windows as well. 
> 
> Now to figure out how to tell Thunderbird to open links in Firefox and
> which profile as well.  It wants to open in Seamonkey and picks a
> profile that is already open which gives the usual error about it being
> in use.  Hmmmmm. 
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 

This should help:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Changing_the_web_browser_invoked_by_Thunderbird

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Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from Seamonkey to Firefox and Thunderbird

[Dale]

On 01/05/2018 10:55 AM, Mick wrote:

> 
> This should help:
> 
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Changing_the_web_browser_invoked_by_Thunderbird
> 


It does to a point at least.  Thing is, I have multiple profiles and 
when it asks me which profile and I pick one, if it is already open I 
get the error that it is in use.  Same as I get when it was trying to 
use Seamonkey.

I have to find a way to tell it what profile to use and to open in a new 
tab instead of trying to start from scratch.  Or something.

I know one thing, google sure isn't helping much.  At least not yet 
anyway.

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from Seamonkey to Firefox and Thunderbird

[Dale]

On 01/05/2018 12:07 PM, Dale wrote:
> On 01/05/2018 10:55 AM, Mick wrote:
> 
>>
>> This should help:
>>
>> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Changing_the_web_browser_invoked_by_Thunderbird
>>
> 
> 
> It does to a point at least.  Thing is, I have multiple profiles and 
> when it asks me which profile and I pick one, if it is already open I 
> get the error that it is in use.  Same as I get when it was trying to 
> use Seamonkey.
> 
> I have to find a way to tell it what profile to use and to open in a new 
> tab instead of trying to start from scratch.  Or something.
> 
> I know one thing, google sure isn't helping much.  At least not yet anyway.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-)
> 



I found someone else wanting the same thing, well, close enough anyway. 
It seems this isn't doable.  I find it odd that a email program can't be 
configured to open links in a running browser without the two programs 
being the same.  Linky.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/999493

Without this, I'll have to copy and paste all the links I want to open. 
That is just not a good option.  No matter which way I go, something is 
broken.

Weird.

Dale

:-)  :-)

[gentoo-user] Re: Switching from Seamonkey to Firefox and Thunderbird

[Ian Zimmerman]

On 2018-01-05 15:04, Dale wrote:

> Without this, I'll have to copy and paste all the links I want to
> open. That is just not a good option.  No matter which way I go,
> something is broken.

You can write a script that takes the contents of the clipboard [1],
possibly makes sure it is a valid URL, and then runs firefox with that
arg the way you want (ie. specific profile and new tab inside existing
instance, I'm sure firefox can do it if palemoon can).

Then bind the script to a short key sequence using your favorite desktop
environment method.  Now, to follow a link from from thunderbird, do
"Copy Link Location" from the context menu, then type the key sequence.
It is longer than a single click, but not prohibitively so, IMO.

[1] the xclip program is handy for that

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Switching from Seamonkey to Firefox and Thunderbird

[Dale]

Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> On 2018-01-05 15:04, Dale wrote:
>
>> Without this, I'll have to copy and paste all the links I want to
>> open. That is just not a good option.  No matter which way I go,
>> something is broken.
> You can write a script that takes the contents of the clipboard [1],
> possibly makes sure it is a valid URL, and then runs firefox with that
> arg the way you want (ie. specific profile and new tab inside existing
> instance, I'm sure firefox can do it if palemoon can).
>
> Then bind the script to a short key sequence using your favorite desktop
> environment method.  Now, to follow a link from from thunderbird, do
> "Copy Link Location" from the context menu, then type the key sequence.
> It is longer than a single click, but not prohibitively so, IMO.
>
> [1] the xclip program is handy for that
>

Well, I switched back to Seamonkey.  At this point, I may just have to
find a new password tool to use.  LastPass did all I wanted and then
some but since it no longer works in Seamonkey, I've got to find
something that will.  I still have the problem of some sites not working
but that doesn't happen to often. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

[gentoo-user] Re: Switching from Seamonkey to Firefox and Thunderbird

[Ian Zimmerman]

On 2018-01-05 17:02, Dale wrote:

> I may just have to find a new password tool to use.  LastPass did all
> I wanted and then some but since it no longer works in Seamonkey, I've
> got to find something that will.

Here are some things to be aware of:

https://github.com/IJHack/QtPass/issues/338
https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2017/12/27/no-boundaries-for-user-identities-web-trackers-exploit-browser-login-managers/

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Switching from Seamonkey to Firefox and Thunderbird

[Dale]

Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> On 2018-01-05 17:02, Dale wrote:
>
>> I may just have to find a new password tool to use.  LastPass did all
>> I wanted and then some but since it no longer works in Seamonkey, I've
>> got to find something that will.
> Here are some things to be aware of:
>
> https://github.com/IJHack/QtPass/issues/338
> https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2017/12/27/no-boundaries-for-user-identities-web-trackers-exploit-browser-login-managers/
>

I been looking for something that works with Seamonkey, so far, I
haven't found anything that works with Seamonkey.  It's almost hard to
believe that there is no password tool/addon that works with Seamonkey. 

I've never heard of qtpass but based on skimming the article you linked
to, I think I'll stay clear of it for a while.  ;-)  I also don't use
built-in password managers either.  I've read they are not secure for
years.  Plus, they don't generate good passwords that I know of either. 

I see some password managers in portage but no clue if they work with
Seamonkey and other apps I use, firefox included.  That's what I liked
about LastPass.  It worked everywhere I needed it too. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from Seamonkey to Firefox and Thunderbird

[Peter Humphrey]

On Friday, 5 January 2018 21:04:30 GMT Dale wrote:

> I found someone else wanting the same thing, well, close enough anyway.
> It seems this isn't doable.  I find it odd that a email program can't be
> configured to open links in a running browser without the two programs
> being the same.  Linky.
> 
> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/999493
> 
> Without this, I'll have to copy and paste all the links I want to open.
> That is just not a good option.  No matter which way I go, something is
> broken.

Doesn't the Default Applications choice in System Settings help? (I think 
I'm right in that you use KDE.)

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Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from Seamonkey to Firefox and Thunderbird

[Dale]

Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Friday, 5 January 2018 21:04:30 GMT Dale wrote:
>
>> I found someone else wanting the same thing, well, close enough anyway.
>> It seems this isn't doable.  I find it odd that a email program can't be
>> configured to open links in a running browser without the two programs
>> being the same.  Linky.
>>
>> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/999493
>>
>> Without this, I'll have to copy and paste all the links I want to open.
>> That is just not a good option.  No matter which way I go, something is
>> broken.
> Doesn't the Default Applications choice in System Settings help? (I think 
> I'm right in that you use KDE.)
>

I was able to tell it to open with Firefox.  That is as far as it would
go tho.  I have multiple profiles for Firefox and while it would let me
pick which one to use, it would only show a error that it was already in
use.  It wouldn't open links as a new tab for example.  I found someone
else wanting the same thing as me and it appears it doesn't exist.  Link
is above.  I may look into Palemoon.  I found a post that seems to claim
it works.  I'm not sure that LastPass works with Palemoon so even if it
does, another problem pops up.  The huge change to Firefox with version
57 isn't likely to help this.  I'm also losing some addons to that change. 

So, Seamonkey doesn't have LastPass as a option but Firefox doesn't have
a way to open email links in a new tab if one uses multiple profiles. 
Either way, something is broken.  I'm not the only one that thinks this
is weird for Firefox/Thunderbird to not have this sort of feature. 

I think if I could tell Thunderbird to open with a command *and* I could
add options to that command, I could get it to work.  That would allow
me to tell it to open with Firefox but to do so with a new tab instead
of a new instance.  Thing is, it allows me to tell it to use Firefox but
does not allow me to add options. 

I'll come up with something.  I'm just not sure what yet.  I wish I
could just get LastPass to work with Seamonkey.  That would only leave
me with a very few sites that don't work with Seamonkey. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from Seamonkey to Firefox and Thunderbird

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 07:30:30 -0600, Dale wrote:

> I was able to tell it to open with Firefox.  That is as far as it would
> go tho.  I have multiple profiles for Firefox and while it would let me
> pick which one to use, it would only show a error that it was already in
> use.  It wouldn't open links as a new tab for example.  I found someone
> else wanting the same thing as me and it appears it doesn't exist.  Link
> is above.  I may look into Palemoon.  I found a post that seems to claim
> it works.  I'm not sure that LastPass works with Palemoon so even if it
> does, another problem pops up.  The huge change to Firefox with version
> 57 isn't likely to help this.  I'm also losing some addons to that
> change. 

Have you tried Chromium? It has none of these issues, nor does it break
addons routinely.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from Seamonkey to Firefox and Thunderbird

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 07:30:30 -0600, Dale wrote:
>
>> I was able to tell it to open with Firefox.  That is as far as it would
>> go tho.  I have multiple profiles for Firefox and while it would let me
>> pick which one to use, it would only show a error that it was already in
>> use.  It wouldn't open links as a new tab for example.  I found someone
>> else wanting the same thing as me and it appears it doesn't exist.  Link
>> is above.  I may look into Palemoon.  I found a post that seems to claim
>> it works.  I'm not sure that LastPass works with Palemoon so even if it
>> does, another problem pops up.  The huge change to Firefox with version
>> 57 isn't likely to help this.  I'm also losing some addons to that
>> change. 
> Have you tried Chromium? It has none of these issues, nor does it break
> addons routinely.
>
>


I did a while back and I just didn't like it at all.  I looked at Opera
too at one point.  The browser I like most, as far as how it does its
thing user interface wise, is Seamonkey.  I like that my email and
browser is in one program.  Clicking links and such works as I expect it
too.  This is one reason I switched from Kmail to Seamonkey.  I had link
problems there as well.  My next browser choice would be Firefox.  After
that, there is no third really.  I even looked at Palemoon and it is
Firefox which is good BUT most of the addons I use won't work there.  Of
course, some won't work with the new 57+ versions of Firefox either.  I
suspect this 57+ Firefox change is what has triggered all this mess. 
The way addons work with Firefox and Seamonkey changed enough that it
requires two different methods which means more work for LastPass. 

I'll have to figure out a workaround until something good comes along,
like maybe LastPass works in Seamonkey again.  Maybe Seamonkey will
upgrade to the way Firefox does its addons and LastPass will support
both again. 

Maybe one day.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from Seamonkey to Firefox and Thunderbird

[Peter Humphrey]

On Saturday, 6 January 2018 13:30:30 GMT Dale wrote:

> I'm not sure that LastPass works with Palemoon so even if it does, another
> problem pops up.

Nope, it doesn't. At least, not the last time I tried it just a few months 
ago.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from Seamonkey to Firefox and Thunderbird

[Dale]

Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Saturday, 6 January 2018 13:30:30 GMT Dale wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure that LastPass works with Palemoon so even if it does, another
>> problem pops up.
> Nope, it doesn't. At least, not the last time I tried it just a few months 
> ago.
>


I like LastPass but I even tried to find a password tool to replace it. 
I checked as a addon but also for something in portage.  I couldn't find
anything that I know will do what LastPass does.  One thing I like about
it, I can go to my neighbors and access all the accounts of sites I use
just like I'm sitting here at home on my puter.  When I'm on a website
that requires a login, I just click for it to login, and which ID if
needed, and it does its thing. 

So, I can't seem to replace the email part of Seamonkey, can't replace
LastPass and am stuck with something not working right no matter what I
do.  Jeez.  We went to the moon decades ago, build buildings that reach
the clouds, build huge airplanes and all sorts of other advanced stuff
but I can't get Thunderbird to open a link in a running instance of
Firefox as a new tab.  ROFL 

Dale

:-)  :-)