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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/68.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.14 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 75f71a90-5b85-42a3-b2e2-adbab885cf24 X-Archives-Hash: 8d76eda1d6f3d94eb360ee65ba7c6c6c Daniel Frey wrote: > On 12/8/22 05:58, Dale wrote: >> >> >> I was thinking DAS was not a good option.  It seems like a feature >> removed and cheaper version of NAS. >> >> I think I've seen a couple Synology NAS boxes but I think even used >> they were a bit pricey.  Still, used could make that a option. >> Maybe.  It could fall into the category of pay a little more for a >> much better option, even if it is used. >> >> I've considered using older systems I have for NAS but they are >> large.  Way to large.  It would require a lot of effort to shrink >> them down if it is even possible.  A NAS is smaller and designed for >> what I need as well.  This is what I found that goes with the >> Raspberry Pi. >> >> https://shop.allnetchina.cn/collections/sata-hat/products/dual-sata-hat-open-frame-for-raspberry-pi-4 >> >> >> There is a two bay and a four bay version.  I think the case is the >> same for both so I may go with four for future expansion.  Price >> isn't bad for that part but as you say, Raspberry Pi board is a bit >> pricey.  Thing is, given the amount of control I'd have over it, it >> could be a better option long term.  I might add, I think this board >> is somewhat new.  I meant to include a link to it but forget.  It >> could be that you are not aware of that, or many other people >> either.  Also, I'd like to buy it from a more local vendor.  I've >> bought things from China through Ebay but it has a guarantee and >> refund option that is fairly good.  It's a option I've had to >> exercise a time or two. >> >> Part of me wants to buy a used but well featured NAS box.  Part of me >> thinks a Raspberry would be better and have upgrade options in the >> future as well.  I'm pretty sure I could have encryption on a >> Raspberry NAS as well.  I'm not sure if a prebuilt NAS box has >> encryption or not. >> >> Hope for some good ideas tho.  I'd like to avoid buying something >> that won't come close to serving even current needs or just plain >> doesn't work. >> >> Dale >> >> :-)  :-) > > Dale, > > DAS is direct attached storage. If your intention is to share the data > with multiple devices for backup you will need to keep in mind that > you will need a PC to share the data the DAS device is storing. In > general, most DAS require some sort of HBA (some of these HBAs can be > hundreds to thousands of dollars.) I've seen some eSata ones but they > usually don't have stellar reviews. It's also getting harder to find > eSata devices. > > In contrast NAS devices are designed to plug in to the network and be > shared with multiple devices on the LAN right from the get-go. > > You are probably interested in a NAS, not a DAS. > > I have an aging ix4-300d NAS. The display has started crashing now but > the device is still rock solid. However I'm in the same boat and have > been researching options - I think for my case I will get a small cube > case and mini-ITX board and roll my own Gentoo install. The cost may > even be slightly cheaper as 4 bay NAS here are quite expensive where I > am (with no drives installed) and building my own will be a bit > cheaper and I can choose what drives to run in it. Vulnerabilities on > devices like QNAP and Synology are very real and at least if you can > roll your own you can keep that to a minimum (like an example not > running a web browser to configure things.) > > Dan > > I was thinking DAS wouldn't fit my needs.  Just wasn't real sure what the difference was.  Someone always coming up with something that only half works.  :/ Right now, I have a modem/router in one that the ISP provided.  I have a separate router that I use since I can control access with it.  The ISP modem/router can not be accessed by me.  Supposedly, it has some protection but without access, who knows.  Either way, I'd connect a NAS to my router that I control and if possible, forbid internet access.  If possible, I may restrict it to ethernet access only, no wifi connection either.  That should lock it down.  Also, I only update backups once a week for maybe a hour or less.  The window for a hacker would be small anyway.  I looked into buying/building a really small puter but with a lot of drive bays.  Thing is, they have few SATA ports and not many ways to add any plus they end up being to large.  I really don't like USB for my data much.  I've had a lot of bad experiences with USB and hard drives.  Still, if this Raspberry thing uses it and others make it work fine, I'd give it a shot.  Still reading posts and trying to sort things out.  Also, searching around for NAS boxes just in case I run up on a steal of a deal.  :-D  Dale :-)  :-)