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[74.240.55.63]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c74sm7841120ywh.19.2017.10.30.13.50.17 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 30 Oct 2017 13:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Alternatives to knutclient To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <1922379.ZbMImBqxyj@dell_xps> <20a51a10-2c3b-bbcf-ab4e-98f8d2676fe5@gmail.com> <19e3d78e-b284-94f8-1a16-c43b1a478193@gmail.com> <1565551.YJXxyvGCCV@dell_xps> <27a82600-717b-0076-cb75-29e67a7f4ed1@gmail.com> <59F62591.2070003@youngman.org.uk> <924d1b49-16ef-52ce-57c2-5f6e838cbf8d@gmail.com> <20171030091007.03b2076d@peak.prhnet> From: Dale Message-ID: <6d7133e2-942a-6977-dfa8-67bc1d13085d@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 15:50:16 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171030091007.03b2076d@peak.prhnet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 645d7281-0198-4091-9315-8449aeaad608 X-Archives-Hash: d9babf3e306a4c04a8cdcc8af924b700 Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 14:46:02 -0500 > Dale wrote: > >> I've always seen UPSs as the best insurance of decent power.  I find >> them handy for almost anything electronic.  No matter where a person >> lives, good power is sometimes just not going to be there.  > I spent an instructive 1990 summer afternoon in Minnesota talking to an > experienced linesman. He described a two-phase, 110V 60Hz supply to most > consumers in USA (180-degree phase angle), with floating earths and > immensely long, thin links between population centres. I was appalled at > the rickety, piecemeal system he described - though of course the geography > necessitates the long links. > > That was just one view, of course. > > In the UK our supplies are three-phase, 230V at 50Hz (120-degree phase > angles), with all earths tied down securely at distribution voltages (33KV > and below - the ones on wooden poles where they're above ground). Grid and > supergrid lines are delta-connected though, rather than the star > connections of lower voltages. > > Today's forecasts of doom are the result of 30 years of dithering by > governments of all stripes, neglecting to invest in new generation in spite > of its absolute indispensability. Not to mention the squandering of North > Sea gas on small-scale generation to fill gaps. > > Whatever happened to the long-term, whole-system view? It all makes me want > to weep sometimes. > This is just one way of thinking.  When a company, or companies, are individually owned or family owned, they are generally passed down to the next generation.  When in that situation, one tends to look at the long term goals.  They look at the bigger picture and not just 'what have we profited on today'.   However, when a company is public, stocks and such, then it is about what have we made today with no one caring about years from now.  After all, the people owning the stocks may not even own them next week.  Think about it this way.  Some large power company that is publicly owned goes out and says they are about to invest hundreds of millions or billions of {whatever currency} in improving the grid and infrastructure.  What would that do to their stocks to know that they are about to spend money that won't have a return for decades maybe even longer?  Odds are, they just dropped.  It's about the same thing that happens when a company is sued and has to pay a huge settlement, fine etc.  Only difference being, one may have a return and one won't for sure.  One is a 'gamble' if you will.  I think we both agree that companies should look long term, it's not likely they ever will.  Their stock owners would cringe if they did, the Govt types are going to get in the way if they can, regulate it to death if nothing else, and here we sit.  So, in the meantime, we have to buy UPSs because the power we are getting is not as dependable as it should be.  In all honesty, odds are the power I get here is a lot more stable than some other countries, even some areas in my country.  Generally, it takes a storm of some kind to knock our lights out.  Some areas, it just takes a warm day.  Dale :-)  :-)