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To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <20200505153817.227cewa743tkkznd@solfire> <916c81e8-30ac-3e80-7581-420df9bc4031@gmail.com> From: Dale Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=rdalek1967@gmail.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBFxc7MgBEAC+zrgEdqJJiDe/UDAB+ScmferXWfJTVjbVT2T4DQ7jiLrgP9aNUo1HioNF mrU3JPOCR32gvZyTbY1+niO5+VSo/+pSqQ785h6ZDj1klMkrg6tEzGnf2MNBpBj4houZwxQ+ WDKKTg2M9F+lv8wTIdR/JQn+hSviktLMtrghQlyLhpapsLXWLA6gMFebpQYwxUwemvan8ddX lQvJe9FGyFYvBi0dp1gl10F2O+DVZJxvX8xkX+yImVlhVJiC31gXHRcj+Qlo7gprlU7TIieF Uow6/ZvYKJ26pztVdFCg5w0rMJkF/x8Zd4A6wnuptiAPmWaQ1+YKgYDonbDUgwqFSx5/lN5z DGZ4LlioxeUTTPVvZsqBIeDz6jNFA583OYbo1/S26dqrvTFf2DKlsvoDpVfAhNlwJPjoixs0 X3FNqPv+M10n4kq5Iz7Q9E3O4s/nfFIYGocEslVka7zZPkXSaHbsn+KJlY8XV6qxtCEdh0/V XX1+1aU2J74M0JikWhpwxTZ1dP5aOyWSPPEgFFIRW6xwwC02SoRH9a7mggfGYp/YjPlONNaT SCL8sgRfvmq3D0XTbLyTjSbExxkfKDmbePQagawDE3TlI/oivHf1JaAcbwMb3LZuU4TGcOIl 5D+x7q0MUIeCop0ZFOwAnqW3AVVNvsBkv2KN+IHJryWAf0/iMQARAQABtBtEYWxlIDxyZGFs ZWsxOTY3QGdtYWlsLmNvbT6JAk4EEwEIADgWIQTZ7suruPBaS60bCYXvEM/XWu+ZnAUCXFzs yAIbIwULCQgHAgYVCgkICwIEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRDvEM/XWu+ZnN+7D/4/1dNG4aCz0+v+ 0dcjV5tY1feYEWCdHKyDzxWBxlCpd/0NPRQeNY4VMjbCl/sq7GkXi/c2SbfWDQ5BQRkkExG1 pSwuXSIehGok/4fpTi3HDAguRvzdCqlKPt7me05FyiC/WnpY5GOlJ3ruGw2qABv/RmV2q5b/ tkq7h1y1f16DTNr3/nsj8HzHcrHdXdL4kaYChSOe/dbQR9Stqak7eMyR+iwvrJMNF/CGl70P 2x5ybsXMDzRVOqNcpa5ZdhEMTVh6+vC1SOmm1BFMF8XCqBEvBbcHWDQmGYTdNCsS/ADm8CBl gvjJgLdIsAzoMu4WHQDFnzXAoArqFWgAf53isOS4AWrv29tF9b8Aa1vb7h5JEa+ArcMsA6Gl X38+GY6WXXaxKI9n3PTCWu9tPGnRh7mABjnwEosDDqmzw8aTAYECb3avDuGY2rmcjgh4H6RE w08d63j1T4d5J9wlm4TGtW/VHgbUFkATEdH3Acl/EjFiyqTiX7p8kU6Reu5enIkogA93xoQh Rmy7ZiST/5LN+ZkaOdyjIw0L+5KalslN9SKt809YxgJ6kPo657LNTFPiFvFA46/SEWcBYrzq Xk0wEW0gBRWf+BqN0qRhU0/EQ+QfRdLLFg2xtUePwlheYLXxfyDLrdCCOLWYpkzbjCZHLS4u 69smbvR9S9KBDNzJybxEWrkCDQRcXOzIARAA5IGRWTqaM44IJgBYghZg2fGj0Am7KWPhE7V7 T/EEe7vVSUEFqHtlHzI4ZK6Q0AZ9uAEjE8IJIQ7KoTjzNqAtabP0vp3s0szgtJlsZ+8vGKlQ my7fvzSrdoQL0Xn7CEwJYFXJ1EMUcYIQeoHG1cUAaXx73k9BFbjwjnUeMrqlV/ZovQlg7duW nESfQ7HZu5NrtYyY3jPMUouxiO9WQPh+IHxZbt1absF2VcvRAymD32RxGvMPbw6ChMRD/p9O 4PH7M5rXaxr78NXQX9E48vrI00f1cYb9NSN1HnSV8cW3jKObVjdBk6jPQwrMvdpgdQhUB9aZ HS/9mC9mmAgiXKyCpzXe7FPB6QznSfn4GIaC/luy1e6SLUkJhRK/niB+gq+Mfxg2zXNuDUTI cMGmpDCp3kgUoorkaltk8RW09io95BkXrGhcDNuSGZfAParBc7RXyYpbIcax8St7tEAd2oFh 4seYOPUlzuhGrPpqR/91wrFc4E1260GKauSr4UhMJv6tygBwyC0mmBMKi+ZXw6ZdZxA5fg7y 35P3TILjznCXXTDgRHq9A3NknKRMcgFacX6eIhANkMFo6oJVjuEgy1dvu1wFfDq7c+i8GAHu L4pYzyXYu6PporlNNU0xSwdVgzM/uuK0lt+UxCimgC+YR3IezgDcbfudb7h9dGIwL+bbPL0A EQEAAYkCNgQYAQgAIBYhBNnuy6u48FpLrRsJhe8Qz9da75mcBQJcXOzIAhsMAAoJEO8Qz9da 75mcXZ4P/1YXgWDZek7mhzrf6uaQzMxa92P89HeWz4PlgB/32symeEFAV04WazzBZffI8AYY rGA1Xmu/2VaB9+FOODyKhUWBc2UL0NRWBk6POwboyTdKlclmpixaN9zLcBt0YLejoRfN1B/5 aQf9/lUDZMnAiCyz0FgeqEMUshldmwWC35RqnjrCbbuk2vIqSH6BLDIXU6jQrLHE1DF0ai41 wLtQFAFXPhn45n0ZwYhVs4Z32z4sjXrIvgBgCaXa4HM+L1Klne0KiNM8ReFTTpTE0SgyDOSZ O3MOa2n77i6JbVtsbiFYnNeP3J9S/l3jevGpZEtNQOKrIm1MW8jGuHWtsDeMkT/mCcSodlkt PxIo+mMK9GpGvG2hW80LiohqNfUbNwAmr3blOYY4URPXPRnEnPs4pmTmL5owjw2dkg145i9I D42Tq+XZ6YtWt3SGzGbAYow6XwTwZ5NFAzV9UQuCGrDw4KWan6O6Z+VIYWsn0UMZlu1Obxna aocofkaUCbISK26kImuD1aA8juSHC18Qv1xUage6/UakbSxyDtACqt6hOVFKX3IA59ApdNRT +2x3iCmlvF9MJsGgFq6IpqL+Fk7iWV8Kjbz0wQOId6N9+JdQh3LrLaS7a1PowUm1z9DK5/O0 Yg+gpDnEOOFI7WM5u7a7FSM2Z/LXGVwel/0eWvLk9tN6 Message-ID: <6b67244c-70e9-f58c-28f7-9ad09cc238b0@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 11:42:46 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------4117FF438BD6283E4B2B98E4" X-Archives-Salt: c1fa3f40-acdf-47d3-944c-3ceefd5be021 X-Archives-Hash: 9fb393db04c0ab4c87562dabf7f57a6c This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4117FF438BD6283E4B2B98E4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 9:22 AM Matt Connell (Gmail) > > wrote: > > > > On 2020-05-05 10:38, tuxic@posteo.de wrote: > > > Is Firefox/Waterfox able to interface with jackd? > > > > Disclaimer, I do not use Jack. > > > > Firefox builds, in my personal experience, are intended to be used with > > pulseaudio and only pulseaudio.  Some people have made some shims for > > making it worth with alsa, but they don't look sustainable. > > > > As the other poster said, this endeavor is likely to result in > > frustration.  You may get it to 'work' for some value of that word, but > > depending on expectations, it may not be worth your while. > > I think Matt makes an excellent point. The solution you're looking for > these days really  > is pulseaudio, not Jack. pulseaudio handles multiple sound source > applications, can > route to multiple sound cards, and provides rudimentary metering so > you can see  > what's going on. I have no experience using it on anything other than > KDE but these  > days I feel it does a good job at what it's designed for.  Question, somewhat off topic but somewhat on topic.  I use smplayer to send my videos to my TV using the second port on my video card.  I set smplayer to send the audio to the TV, instead of my puter speakers.  I've never used pulseaudio but with Firefox heading down that path, I might have to switch.  My question is, if I switched to pulseaudio, can I tell it that smplayer goes to TV and things like Firefox, Seamonkey, gnome-player and such goes to the puter speakers?  From what I've read, it sounds like that is pretty much what it does.  Right now, I'm using ALSA, Kmix and friends. Dale :-)  :-)  --------------4117FF438BD6283E4B2B98E4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Mark Knecht wrote:


On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 9:22 AM Matt Connell (Gmail) <matthewdconnell@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 2020-05-05 10:38, tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
> > Is Firefox/Waterfox able to interface with jackd?
>
> Disclaimer, I do not use Jack.
>
> Firefox builds, in my personal experience, are intended to be used with
> pulseaudio and only pulseaudio.  Some people have made some shims for
> making it worth with alsa, but they don't look sustainable.
>
> As the other poster said, this endeavor is likely to result in
> frustration.  You may get it to 'work' for some value of that word, but
> depending on expectations, it may not be worth your while.

I think Matt makes an excellent point. The solution you're looking for these days really 
is pulseaudio, not Jack. pulseaudio handles multiple sound source applications, can
route to multiple sound cards, and provides rudimentary metering so you can see 
what's going on. I have no experience using it on anything other than KDE but these 
days I feel it does a good job at what it's designed for. 


Question, somewhat off topic but somewhat on topic.  I use smplayer to send my videos to my TV using the second port on my video card.  I set smplayer to send the audio to the TV, instead of my puter speakers.  I've never used pulseaudio but with Firefox heading down that path, I might have to switch.  My question is, if I switched to pulseaudio, can I tell it that smplayer goes to TV and things like Firefox, Seamonkey, gnome-player and such goes to the puter speakers?  From what I've read, it sounds like that is pretty much what it does.  Right now, I'm using ALSA, Kmix and friends.

Dale

:-)  :-) 
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