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Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.15 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C6C4DB73C8EF2B5F38B1D018" X-Archives-Salt: 3b82820d-0c7c-4865-a43f-ff1bc3b9a23f X-Archives-Hash: 93b8d9a45a3f3525b6d973fb07f33e3c This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C6C4DB73C8EF2B5F38B1D018 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 2:15 PM Dale > wrote: > > > > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 1:02 PM Dale > wrote: > > > > > > > > Someone mentioned 16K block size. > > > > > > I mentioned it but I'm NOT suggesting it. > > > > It would be the -b option if you were to do it for ext4. > > > > I'm using the default block size (4k) on all my SSDs and M.2's and > > as I've said a couple of time, I'm going to blast past the 5 year > > warranty time long before I write too many terabytes. > > > > Keep it simple. > > > > - Mark > > > > One reason I ask, some info I found claimed it isn't even > supported.  It actually spits out a error message and doesn't create > the file system.  I wasn't sure if that info was outdated or what so I > thought I'd ask.  I think I'll skip that part.  Just let it do its thing. > > > > Dale > > > I'd start with something like > > mkfs.ext4 -b 16384 /dev/sdX > > and see where it leads. It's *possible* that the SSD might fight  > back, sending the OS a response that says it doesn't want to  > do that. > > It could also be a partition alignment issue, although if you > started your partition at the default starting address I'd doubt  > that one. > > Anyway, I just wanted to be clear that I'm not worried about > write amplification based on my system data. > > Cheers, > Mark I found where it was claimed it doesn't work.  This is the link. https://askubuntu.com/questions/1007716/formatting-an-ext4-partition-with-a-16kb-block-possible That is a few years old and things may have changed.  I also saw similar info elsewhere.  I may try it just to see if I get the same output.  If it works, fine.  If not, then we know. Odd it would have the option but not allow you to use it tho.  :/ Dale :-)  :-)  --------------C6C4DB73C8EF2B5F38B1D018 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Mark Knecht wrote:


On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 2:15 PM Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 1:02 PM Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> <SNIP>
> >
> > Someone mentioned 16K block size.
> <SNIP>
>
> I mentioned it but I'm NOT suggesting it.
>
> It would be the -b option if you were to do it for ext4.
>
> I'm using the default block size (4k) on all my SSDs and M.2's and
> as I've said a couple of time, I'm going to blast past the 5 year
> warranty time long before I write too many terabytes.
>
> Keep it simple.
>
> - Mark
>
> One reason I ask, some info I found claimed it isn't even supported.  It actually spits out a error message and doesn't create the file system.  I wasn't sure if that info was outdated or what so I thought I'd ask.  I think I'll skip that part.  Just let it do its thing.
>
> Dale
<SNIP>

I'd start with something like

mkfs.ext4 -b 16384 /dev/sdX

and see where it leads. It's *possible* that the SSD might fight 
back, sending the OS a response that says it doesn't want to 
do that.

It could also be a partition alignment issue, although if you
started your partition at the default starting address I'd doubt 
that one.

Anyway, I just wanted to be clear that I'm not worried about
write amplification based on my system data.

Cheers,
Mark


I found where it was claimed it doesn't work.  This is the link.

https://askubuntu.com/questions/1007716/formatting-an-ext4-partition-with-a-16kb-block-possible

That is a few years old and things may have changed.  I also saw similar info elsewhere.  I may try it just to see if I get the same output.  If it works, fine.  If not, then we know.

Odd it would have the option but not allow you to use it tho.  :/

Dale

:-)  :-) 
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