* [gentoo-user] audio convert splitter etc... @ 2009-03-30 20:40 Vasya Volkov 2009-03-31 3:06 ` Mike Kazantsev 2009-04-18 20:26 ` Liviu Andronic 0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Vasya Volkov @ 2009-03-30 20:40 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user Hello. Can you suggest some simple program which can make these functions: 1).ape,.cue splitting 2)converting flac/ape/wav to ogg mp3 etc. 3)cutting parts of audio files? Please with overlay if one there is. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] audio convert splitter etc... 2009-03-30 20:40 [gentoo-user] audio convert splitter etc Vasya Volkov @ 2009-03-31 3:06 ` Mike Kazantsev 2009-04-18 16:28 ` Vasya Volkov 2009-04-18 20:26 ` Liviu Andronic 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Mike Kazantsev @ 2009-03-31 3:06 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2158 bytes --] On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:40:17 +0400 Vasya Volkov <my.pipes.burn@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello. > Can you suggest some simple program which can make these functions: > 1).ape,.cue splitting 2)converting flac/ape/wav to ogg mp3 etc. > 3)cutting parts of audio files? Please with overlay if one there is. > I use following simple script for flac->mp3 conversion: ===== #!/bin/bash lame_opts="--vbr-new -V 2 -B 256" for FLAC in $@; do MP3=`basename "${FLAC%.flac}.mp3"` TAGS="TITLE TRACKNUMBER GENRE DATE COMMENT ARTIST ALBUM\ Title Tracknumber Genre Date Comment Artist Album" for VAR in $TAGS; do eval "$VAR=''"; done eval $(metaflac --export-tags-to=- "$FLAC" | sed 's/=\(.*\)/="\1"/') [ -z "$TITLE" ] && TITLE="$Title" [ -z "$TRACKNUMBER" ] && TRACKNUMBER="$Tracknumber" [ -z "$GENRE" ] && GENRE="$Genre" [ -z "$DATE" ] && DATE="$Date" [ -z "$COMMENT" ] && COMMENT="$Comment" [ -z "$ARTIST" ] && ARTIST="$Artist" [ -z "$ALBUM" ] && ALBUM="$Album" echo "Converting $FLAC to mp3: $MP3" flac -c -d "$FLAC" | lame $lame_opts - "$MP3" id3tag \ --artist="$ARTIST" \ --album="$ALBUM" \ --song="$TITLE" \ --track="$TRACKNUMBER" \ --genre="$GENRE" \ --year="$DATE" \ --comment="$COMMENT" \ "$MP3" done ===== Script actually depends on following packages (main tree): media-libs/flac media-libs/id3lib media-sound/lame I'm sorry for posting following on the list, since it's non-english. Just disregard the rest of the message, please :) Concerning ape, there were some suggestions in (quite recent) "ape 2 wav (flac)" thread on gentoo-user-ru mailing list: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user-ru/msg_060cfe116536e31d0b823d7d5117e999.xml Also, check out this link (if you haven't stumbled upon it already): http://engraver.wordpress.com/2009/01/03/monkeys-audio-ape-cue-%D0%B2-gentoo/ -- Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] audio convert splitter etc... 2009-03-31 3:06 ` Mike Kazantsev @ 2009-04-18 16:28 ` Vasya Volkov 2009-04-20 12:19 ` Mike Kazantsev 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Vasya Volkov @ 2009-04-18 16:28 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user Mike Kazantsev пишет: > On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:40:17 +0400 > Vasya Volkov <my.pipes.burn@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> Hello. >> Can you suggest some simple program which can make these functions: >> 1).ape,.cue splitting 2)converting flac/ape/wav to ogg mp3 etc. >> 3)cutting parts of audio files? Please with overlay if one there is. >> >> > > I use following simple script for flac->mp3 conversion: > ===== > #!/bin/bash > > lame_opts="--vbr-new -V 2 -B 256" > > for FLAC in $@; do > > MP3=`basename "${FLAC%.flac}.mp3"` > > TAGS="TITLE TRACKNUMBER GENRE DATE COMMENT ARTIST ALBUM\ > Title Tracknumber Genre Date Comment Artist Album" > for VAR in $TAGS; do eval "$VAR=''"; done > > eval $(metaflac --export-tags-to=- "$FLAC" | sed 's/=\(.*\)/="\1"/') > > [ -z "$TITLE" ] && TITLE="$Title" > [ -z "$TRACKNUMBER" ] && TRACKNUMBER="$Tracknumber" > [ -z "$GENRE" ] && GENRE="$Genre" > [ -z "$DATE" ] && DATE="$Date" > [ -z "$COMMENT" ] && COMMENT="$Comment" > [ -z "$ARTIST" ] && ARTIST="$Artist" > [ -z "$ALBUM" ] && ALBUM="$Album" > > echo "Converting $FLAC to mp3: $MP3" > > flac -c -d "$FLAC" | lame $lame_opts - "$MP3" > > id3tag \ > --artist="$ARTIST" \ > --album="$ALBUM" \ > --song="$TITLE" \ > --track="$TRACKNUMBER" \ > --genre="$GENRE" \ > --year="$DATE" \ > --comment="$COMMENT" \ > "$MP3" > > done > ===== > > Script actually depends on following packages (main tree): > media-libs/flac > media-libs/id3lib > media-sound/lame > > > > I'm sorry for posting following on the list, since it's non-english. > Just disregard the rest of the message, please :) > > Concerning ape, there were some suggestions in (quite recent) "ape 2 > wav (flac)" thread on gentoo-user-ru mailing list: > http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user-ru/msg_060cfe116536e31d0b823d7d5117e999.xml > Also, check out this link (if you haven't stumbled upon it already): > http://engraver.wordpress.com/2009/01/03/monkeys-audio-ape-cue-%D0%B2-gentoo/ > > Thanks. That's good. But can you suggest programm to convert wav to mp3? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] audio convert splitter etc... 2009-04-18 16:28 ` Vasya Volkov @ 2009-04-20 12:19 ` Mike Kazantsev 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Mike Kazantsev @ 2009-04-20 12:19 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 854 bytes --] On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 20:28:31 +0400 Vasya Volkov <my.pipes.burn@gmail.com> wrote: > Mike Kazantsev пишет: ... > lame_opts="--vbr-new -V 2 -B 256" ... > > flac -c -d "$FLAC" | lame $lame_opts - "$MP3" ... > > Script actually depends on following packages (main tree): > > media-libs/flac > > media-libs/id3lib > > media-sound/lame > Thanks. That's good. But can you suggest programm to convert wav to mp3? If you look closely at the above code snippet you've actually quoted, you'll see that I use flac to decode flac to wav, instantly feeding it to lame, which is pretty much standard production wav->mp3 converter. In short, you can convert somefile.wav to somefile.mp3 (VBR ~256 kbit) with the following line: lame --vbr-new -V 2 -B 256 somefile.wav somefile.mp3 -- Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] audio convert splitter etc... 2009-03-30 20:40 [gentoo-user] audio convert splitter etc Vasya Volkov 2009-03-31 3:06 ` Mike Kazantsev @ 2009-04-18 20:26 ` Liviu Andronic 2009-04-19 10:09 ` Vasya Volkov 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Liviu Andronic @ 2009-04-18 20:26 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Vasya Volkov <my.pipes.burn@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello. > Can you suggest some simple program which can make these functions: > 1).ape,.cue splitting 2)converting flac/ape/wav to ogg mp3 etc. 3)cutting > parts of audio files? Please with overlay if one there is. > > There are: media-sound/soundconverter media-sound/audacity Liviu -- Do you know how to read? http://www.alienetworks.com/srtest.cfm Do you know how to write? http://garbl.home.comcast.net/~garbl/stylemanual/e.htm#e-mail ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] audio convert splitter etc... 2009-04-18 20:26 ` Liviu Andronic @ 2009-04-19 10:09 ` Vasya Volkov 2009-04-19 10:48 ` Liviu Andronic 2009-04-19 10:51 ` Marc Joliet 0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Vasya Volkov @ 2009-04-19 10:09 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user Liviu Andronic пишет: > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Vasya Volkov <my.pipes.burn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello. >> Can you suggest some simple program which can make these functions: >> 1).ape,.cue splitting 2)converting flac/ape/wav to ogg mp3 etc. 3)cutting >> parts of audio files? Please with overlay if one there is. >> >> >> > There are: > media-sound/soundconverter > media-sound/audacity > > Liviu > > Audacity doesn't support .wav file format. I mean it doesn't convert .wav to mp3, ogg, etc... Soundconverter strange programm. I tried to convert my wav files to mp3 with it and size of files that I get was 20 Mb and more (same with wav files). Any other? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] audio convert splitter etc... 2009-04-19 10:09 ` Vasya Volkov @ 2009-04-19 10:48 ` Liviu Andronic 2009-04-19 20:49 ` Vasya Volkov 2009-04-19 10:51 ` Marc Joliet 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Liviu Andronic @ 2009-04-19 10:48 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Vasya Volkov <my.pipes.burn@gmail.com> wrote: > Audacity doesn't support .wav file format. I mean it doesn't convert .wav to > mp3, ogg, etc... Soundconverter strange programm. I tried to convert my wav > files to mp3 with it and size of files that I get was 20 Mb and more (same > with wav files). > Cannot confirm all this here. Soundconverter inputs: Item: /tmp/temp/Brigada-orig.mp3 Type: Audio file with ID3 version 24.0 tag, MP3 encoding Mime: audio/mpeg Size: 3,313,924 bytes converted to Item: /tmp/temp/Brigada.wav Type: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 32 bit, stereo 44100 Hz Mime: audio/x-wav Size: 73,036,844 bytes Then Item: /tmp/temp/Brigada.wav Type: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 32 bit, stereo 44100 Hz Mime: audio/x-wav Size: 73,036,844 bytes converted to Item: /tmp/temp/Brigada.mp3 Type: Audio file with ID3 version 24.0 tag, MP3 encoding Mime: audio/mpeg Size: 3,381,240 bytes I suggest that you check your quality options. Audacity opens: Item: /tmp/temp/Brigada.wav Type: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 32 bit, stereo 44100 Hz Mime: audio/x-wav Size: 73,036,844 bytes then *exports* (do not use "save project as") Item: /tmp/temp/Brigada.ogg Type: Ogg data, Vorbis audio, stereo, 44100 Hz, ~192000 bps, created by: Xiph.Org libVorbis I Mime: application/ogg Size: 4,600,477 bytes Liviu -- Do you know how to read? http://www.alienetworks.com/srtest.cfm Do you know how to write? http://garbl.home.comcast.net/~garbl/stylemanual/e.htm#e-mail ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] audio convert splitter etc... 2009-04-19 10:48 ` Liviu Andronic @ 2009-04-19 20:49 ` Vasya Volkov 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Vasya Volkov @ 2009-04-19 20:49 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user Liviu Andronic пишет: > On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Vasya Volkov <my.pipes.burn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Audacity doesn't support .wav file format. I mean it doesn't convert .wav to >> mp3, ogg, etc... Soundconverter strange programm. I tried to convert my wav >> files to mp3 with it and size of files that I get was 20 Mb and more (same >> with wav files). >> >> > Cannot confirm all this here. > Soundconverter inputs: > Item: /tmp/temp/Brigada-orig.mp3 > Type: Audio file with ID3 version 24.0 tag, MP3 encoding > Mime: audio/mpeg > Size: 3,313,924 bytes > > converted to > Item: /tmp/temp/Brigada.wav > Type: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 32 bit, > stereo 44100 Hz > Mime: audio/x-wav > Size: 73,036,844 bytes > > Then > Item: /tmp/temp/Brigada.wav > Type: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 32 bit, > stereo 44100 Hz > Mime: audio/x-wav > Size: 73,036,844 bytes > > converted to > Item: /tmp/temp/Brigada.mp3 > Type: Audio file with ID3 version 24.0 tag, MP3 encoding > Mime: audio/mpeg > Size: 3,381,240 bytes > > I suggest that you check your quality options. > > Audacity opens: > Item: /tmp/temp/Brigada.wav > Type: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 32 bit, > stereo 44100 Hz > Mime: audio/x-wav > Size: 73,036,844 bytes > > then *exports* (do not use "save project as") > Item: /tmp/temp/Brigada.ogg > Type: Ogg data, Vorbis audio, stereo, 44100 Hz, ~192000 bps, created > by: Xiph.Org libVorbis I > Mime: application/ogg > Size: 4,600,477 bytes > > Liviu > > > > > Well maybe I have got some different .wav form? I really have same size mp3 with wav. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] audio convert splitter etc... 2009-04-19 10:09 ` Vasya Volkov 2009-04-19 10:48 ` Liviu Andronic @ 2009-04-19 10:51 ` Marc Joliet 2009-04-19 20:52 ` Vasya Volkov 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Marc Joliet @ 2009-04-19 10:51 UTC (permalink / raw To: Gentoo-User ML [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2631 bytes --] Am Sun, 19 Apr 2009 14:09:00 +0400 schrieb Vasya Volkov <my.pipes.burn@gmail.com>: > Liviu Andronic пишет: > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Vasya Volkov <my.pipes.burn@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Hello. > >> Can you suggest some simple program which can make these functions: > >> 1).ape,.cue splitting 2)converting flac/ape/wav to ogg mp3 etc. 3)cutting > >> parts of audio files? Please with overlay if one there is. > >> > >> > >> > > There are: > > media-sound/soundconverter > > media-sound/audacity > > > > Liviu > > > > > Audacity doesn't support .wav file format. I mean it doesn't convert > .wav to mp3, ogg, etc... Yes it does. Audacity can convert Wav to... *looks at export window* - Ogg - MP3 - WMA - M4A (AAC) - GSM WAV - FLAC - AC3 and whatever else ffmpeg supports. You can even specify external programs to do the encoding. Maybe you don't have the correct use flags set? Here's what I have: marcec@marcec ~ % equery uses audacity [ Searching for packages matching audacity... ] [ Colour Code : set unset ] [ Legend : Left column (U) - USE flags from make.conf ] [ : Right column (I) - USE flags packages was installed with ] [ Found these USE variables for media-sound/audacity-1.3.7 ] U I + + alsa : Adds support for media-libs/alsa-lib (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture) + + ffmpeg : Enable ffmpeg-based audio/video codec support + + flac : Adds support for FLAC: Free Lossless Audio Codec + + id3tag : Enables ID3 tagging with id3tag library + + jack : Adds support for the JACK Audio Connection Kit + + ladspa : Enables the ability to support ladspa plugins + + libsamplerate : Build with support for converting sample rates using libsamplerate + + midi : Enables MIDI support + + mp3 : Add support for reading mp3 files + + soundtouch : Enables soundtouch library support - - twolame : Enables twolame support (MPEG Audio Layer 2 encoder) + + vamp : Enables vamp plugins support (Audio analysing plugins) + + vorbis : Adds support for the OggVorbis audio codec > Soundconverter strange programm. I tried to > convert my wav files to mp3 with it and size of files that I get was 20 > Mb and more (same with wav files). > Any other? I don't know about soundconverter, sorry. HTH -- Marc Joliet -- Lt. Frank Drebin: "It's true what they say: cops and women don't mix. Like eating a spoonful of Drāno; sure, it'll clean you out, but it'll leave you hollow inside." [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] audio convert splitter etc... 2009-04-19 10:51 ` Marc Joliet @ 2009-04-19 20:52 ` Vasya Volkov 2009-04-19 22:54 ` Liviu Andronic 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Vasya Volkov @ 2009-04-19 20:52 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user Marc Joliet пишет: > Am Sun, 19 Apr 2009 14:09:00 +0400 > schrieb Vasya Volkov <my.pipes.burn@gmail.com>: > > >> Liviu Andronic пишет: >> >>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Vasya Volkov <my.pipes.burn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hello. >>>> Can you suggest some simple program which can make these functions: >>>> 1).ape,.cue splitting 2)converting flac/ape/wav to ogg mp3 etc. 3)cutting >>>> parts of audio files? Please with overlay if one there is. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> There are: >>> media-sound/soundconverter >>> media-sound/audacity >>> >>> Liviu >>> >>> >>> >> Audacity doesn't support .wav file format. I mean it doesn't convert >> .wav to mp3, ogg, etc... >> > > Yes it does. Audacity can convert Wav to... *looks at export window* > > - Ogg > - MP3 > - WMA > - M4A (AAC) > - GSM WAV > - FLAC > - AC3 > > and whatever else ffmpeg supports. You can even specify external programs to do > the encoding. Maybe you don't have the correct use flags set? Here's what I > have: > > marcec@marcec ~ % equery uses audacity > [ Searching for packages matching audacity... ] > [ Colour Code : set unset ] > [ Legend : Left column (U) - USE flags from make.conf ] > [ : Right column (I) - USE flags packages was installed with ] > [ Found these USE variables for media-sound/audacity-1.3.7 ] > U I > + + alsa : Adds support for media-libs/alsa-lib (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture) > + + ffmpeg : Enable ffmpeg-based audio/video codec support > + + flac : Adds support for FLAC: Free Lossless Audio Codec > + + id3tag : Enables ID3 tagging with id3tag library > + + jack : Adds support for the JACK Audio Connection Kit > + + ladspa : Enables the ability to support ladspa plugins > + + libsamplerate : Build with support for converting sample rates using libsamplerate > + + midi : Enables MIDI support > + + mp3 : Add support for reading mp3 files > + + soundtouch : Enables soundtouch library support > - - twolame : Enables twolame support (MPEG Audio Layer 2 encoder) > + + vamp : Enables vamp plugins support (Audio analysing plugins) > + + vorbis : Adds support for the OggVorbis audio codec > > >> Soundconverter strange programm. I tried to >> convert my wav files to mp3 with it and size of files that I get was 20 >> Mb and more (same with wav files). >> Any other? >> > > I don't know about soundconverter, sorry. > > HTH > Thanks. But audacity writes to me that it doesn't recognize my wav format. Maybe I have really different form of this format? How can I get informatin about format of my files? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] audio convert splitter etc... 2009-04-19 20:52 ` Vasya Volkov @ 2009-04-19 22:54 ` Liviu Andronic 2009-04-20 5:38 ` Vasya Volkov 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Liviu Andronic @ 2009-04-19 22:54 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Vasya Volkov <my.pipes.burn@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks. But audacity writes to me that it doesn't recognize my wav format. > Maybe I have really different form of this format? How can I get informatin > about format of my files? > `file music.wav' -- Do you know how to read? http://www.alienetworks.com/srtest.cfm Do you know how to write? http://garbl.home.comcast.net/~garbl/stylemanual/e.htm#e-mail ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] audio convert splitter etc... 2009-04-19 22:54 ` Liviu Andronic @ 2009-04-20 5:38 ` Vasya Volkov 2009-04-20 10:38 ` Liviu Andronic 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Vasya Volkov @ 2009-04-20 5:38 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user Liviu Andronic пишет: > On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Vasya Volkov <my.pipes.burn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks. But audacity writes to me that it doesn't recognize my wav format. >> Maybe I have really different form of this format? How can I get informatin >> about format of my files? >> >> > `file music.wav' > > > Here: 01.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, MPEG Layer 3, stereo 48000 Hz ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] audio convert splitter etc... 2009-04-20 5:38 ` Vasya Volkov @ 2009-04-20 10:38 ` Liviu Andronic 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Liviu Andronic @ 2009-04-20 10:38 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 7:38 AM, Vasya Volkov <my.pipes.burn@gmail.com> wrote: > Here: > 01.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, MPEG Layer 3, stereo 48000 Hz > An idea: try to convert it with soundcoverter (or sox, or whatever) to .wav, and try to load the new .wav in audacity. Liviu -- Do you know how to read? http://www.alienetworks.com/srtest.cfm Do you know how to write? http://garbl.home.comcast.net/~garbl/stylemanual/e.htm#e-mail ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
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