From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IB9UL-0001nR-Sq for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:22:46 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6IDLMu5016001; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:21:22 GMT Received: from mra05.ch.as12513.net (mra05.ch.as12513.net [82.153.254.73]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6IDDcIu007053 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:13:38 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mra05.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87824C46A5 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:13:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from mra05.ch.as12513.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra05.ch.as12513.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05399-01-65 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:13:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from compaq.stroller.uk.eu.org (compaq.stroller.uk.eu.org [213.152.39.90]) by mra05.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24607C45CE for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:13:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.10.191] (unknown [192.168.1.200]) by compaq.stroller.uk.eu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3D1137822 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:13:28 +0100 (BST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <200707171819.07811.volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> References: <14178ED3A898524FB036966D696494FB138F1B@messenger.cv63.navy.mil> <871wf7waz6.fsf@newton.gmurray.org.uk> <955A49C7-0E11-45D0-B53D-549B0D43CF4D@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <200707171819.07811.volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <66848C57-9BED-46E7-BF50-C5574E252BAC@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stroller Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3?? Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:13:23 +0100 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk X-Archives-Salt: 3c1e3430-ea1a-40ab-9cd3-3ba65cda16c3 X-Archives-Hash: 93c6716c35fb06a802086f6a8604e986 On 17 Jul 2007, at 17:19, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Dienstag, 17. Juli 2007, Stroller wrote: > >> I believe that even Linus - who is noted for his long-standing >> opposition to v3 - would change his mind were he to experience this. >> "They're using the operating system _I_ wrote to lock me out of _my >> own_ router?!?!?!?" > > Linus has said it several times that he was ok with the thing Tivo > did. > > And Tivo is the reason for that clause in GPLv3. I've seen no evidence that he said this AFTER spending a big chunk of his own money on hardware, plugging it into his ethernet network and finding himself frustrated by an inability to copy shows recorded in his living room to the Tivo in his den. A problem with having well-paid and financially successful "leaders" is the risk of them becoming out of touch with "the common man". Linux is Linus' baby and he's entitled to license his code however he wishes but he can afford a nice sports car now and I doubt that he has to pay for much hardware. I'm not saying that Linus is wrong, just that he might see things differently if the license he used on his software caused him time, inconvenience, frustration and expense. Say what you like about the lunatic fringe, but RMS has never forgotten that laser printer which he was unable to fix because the code was denied him. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list