From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1SZP9U-00024r-F9 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 29 May 2012 16:20:08 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AAA1DE0444; Tue, 29 May 2012 16:19:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com (mail-bk0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E848E07BE for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 16:18:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcjk13 with SMTP id jk13so3855655bkc.40 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:18:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-type; bh=b4tyWjfO73O/Swyq67I35mmsmtvG8QpqpH432PT0Lug=; b=c+LtChzJ685/NUwgr2G0wYvIPXIL0YpsIjv3lUPbI+GfhzzPdLvoNg5RNwPbP60j8t K8njDuP/nO+l/8AI6ROo41d53RoJSCTqVeqB8gvFpKh6VJlz0YYs4GXoctRVJbj+JFOA qOci8Awr/9/VNU9x3Ps/8B8NBs2MrRtBl1LuikkO9UKxgbXLN727INYIEZDuTEnVqLoi UeOnVmEeT4wFObuzDQaMwTF2YxPtQW4s+FgpHe3d5rsFOQkrygPk5c+1IVFfSOOX1BX1 cOx45x7/WJ1OEHWn9ewYwQPXfWw4h52UqmN75I64D2vNuro94g93cmv4R/3OGQ5lmxbK diqA== Received: by 10.205.134.1 with SMTP id ia1mr6819221bkc.77.1338308315329; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from energy.localnet (p4FC60C23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. [79.198.12.35]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ie3sm18728996bkc.1.2012.05.29.09.18.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 May 2012 09:18:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Volker Armin Hemmann To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Cc: Michael Mol Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] ~gcc-4.7.0 Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 18:18:31 +0200 Message-ID: <6598031.uEmW2NWM6s@energy> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.3 (Linux/3.0.30; KDE/4.8.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <4FC3DA4E.9030009@xunil.at> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Archives-Salt: 9f6a1ac7-371d-453e-bbd7-18365979a225 X-Archives-Hash: f962fcc3f85fceca337efeff6fd1d7b6 Am Dienstag, 29. Mai 2012, 08:58:52 schrieb Michael Mol: > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 4:30 AM, microcai wrote: > > 2012/5/29 Michael Mol > > [snip] > > >> I'm mostly looking forward to Bulldozer support and RDRAND. > > > > LOL I thought no one buys it > > The average decent-quality AMD-supporting motherboard that supports > the level of contemporary features I want costs 100-130 USD, and I > generally go for a CPU in the range of $150-$180. So that's a total > ticket price of about $250-$310 USD. I've been using AMD machines in > my home for five or six years, now; generally, when one box gets > upgraded, parts of it (especially the CPU) get put into a different > box to upgrade that. That hasn't been possible on Intel. > > An Intel-supporting motherboard with the level of contemporary > features I want becomes my first hurdle. Just for the base set of > features I'd want (6 current-speed SATA ports, max "supported" RAM of > 32GB, LGA1155), I'm looking at $230 and up. For a processor? > $200-$320. And I'd want an i7, not an i5, so we're talking upper > range. > > Yes, the early Bulldozers don't measure up to the Phenom II, but > amdfam10 is going away, and Bulldozer will get past that mark. Rather > similar how Intel's early NetBurst cores didn't manage to beat Pentium > IIIs, but later ones did. (Yeah, NetBurst eventually bit the dust, > and for good reason. I have to think, though, that a lot of what Intel > learned with NetBurst went into preparing them for Sandy Bridge's > incredible overclocking range.) > > So, yeah, while I'd love a performance-grade Intel desktop box, it's > going to be hard to justify the price ticket. Even if I don't manage > to get an IvyBridge desktop box, I do want to get my hands on an > IvyBridge i3 motherboard; that RDRAND instruction is going to be sweet > in a network gateway machine, and the power consumption deliciously > low. and maybe buying intel is not a good idea at all: http://semiaccurate.com/2012/05/15/intel-small-business-advantage-is-a- security-nightmare/ -- #163933