From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B24B1381F3 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 05:38:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ABA5FE0CB4; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 05:38:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.165]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4AC1E0C53 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 05:38:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.42.134] (helo=smtp3.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VBeeO-0004PP-3z for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 07:38:40 +0200 Received: from 54698b76.cm-12-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([84.105.139.118] helo=data.antarean.org) by smtp3.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VBeeN-0007Uu-JZ for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 07:38:40 +0200 Received: from www.antarean.org (net.lan.antarean.org [10.20.13.13]) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4FF4C for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 07:38:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 83.80.30.114 (SquirrelMail authenticated user joost) by www.antarean.org with HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 07:38:10 +0200 Message-ID: <650f0f6f8e1104e5b022f4188e86c7d8.squirrel@www.antarean.org> In-Reply-To: <5212855A.4010909@gmail.com> References: <5211226F.2000000@libertytrek.org> <201308182208.43780.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <521142A7.1020702@coolmail.se> <52119410.9050202@sporkbox.us> <5211BCB0.1060106@gmail.com> <52120BEE.1070000@coolmail.se> <5212199F.8070000@gmail.com> <3fa21fc6-3c62-43de-a002-2190be4aa597@email.android.com> <5212855A.4010909@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 07:38:10 +0200 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo From: "J. Roeleveld" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Ziggo-spambar: --- X-Ziggo-spamscore: -3.7 X-Ziggo-spamreport: BAYES_00=-1.9,RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982,RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.797 X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Flag: No X-Archives-Salt: 9b28861f-fc3f-4c44-8079-ac678def44dc X-Archives-Hash: 78d4c1e387eaca815537460e9f81dac9 On Mon, August 19, 2013 22:51, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 19/08/2013 22:32, joost@antarean.org wrote: >>> X11, well that's another story and probably way off topic. It was >>> >designed for hardware and architectures that haven't existed for 20+ >>> >years. Almost all factors that made X11 awesome in the 80s and 90s >>> >simply are not there anymore. >> X11 was still really awesome in 2002. When we used remote graphical >> logons to different machines. >> It also helped with performance of certain desktop applications. Runni= ng >> the application on a different machine (with better CPU) then the >> machine I was working at always made people wonder why the same >> application was performing so badly on theirs ;) >> >> But these days. Having fast reliable performance locally is better. Wi= th >> a decent RDP that can connect to an existing desktop without having to >> set it up as shared from the beginning is more useful. Any ideas on >> that? > > Agreed. I've gotten so used to all that local *GL* goodness that runnin= g > almost any app (except maybe xterm) remotely is just so painful it make= s > me cry... For remote access, I can live without all the special effects. > I'm also lucky in that when I managed to foist all the oracle with java > installers off onto some other team of luckless suckers, I was left wit= h > just the best remote interface ever - ssh and bash. So I can afford to > be smug :-) ssh -Y works really well for those. I always feel smug when others first need to figure out how to get a remote-X connection to the server because they use MS Windows. They often claim that a VNC-server is a valid pre-req... Take it from me, that is NOT a requirement to install the software. > I don't know how to make your RDP problem easier - I treat that the sam= e > as allow/deny rules for ssh (or any other kind of access really) and > just accept that sometimes I need to ask first for something to be > allowed. again, I can afford to be smug here too as the only things I > need to RDP to are terminals set up for that very purpose and VirtualBo= x > VMs (that is one more check box at the create stage). For me the usage case is as follows: 1) I start to do something on my desktop at home 2) I go to the office or customer site 3) I need to continue/finish what I was doing (it's usually for a custome= r in that case) ... At this point, I can't continue. Unless I remembered to run a VNC server and used vnc to localhost for step 1. With a MS Windows desktop, it is usually (sometimes I get a "clean" desktop and still can't continue) possible. One option would be to be able to redirect an application to a different X-server and when that one dies/disconnects/... it will reconnect to the initial (my desktop) one. This is also not something I found yet either. For these activities, all the latest *GL* goodies are not necessary and I can easily live without them. Remote 3D gaming isn't something I want to do. -- Joost