From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-user+bounces-68820-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@gentoo.org>) id 1IRAxt-0003eu-Ul for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:11:30 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7VHBf1T024134; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:11:41 GMT Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7VH7GSr019282 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:07:17 GMT Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so3969250pyb for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:07:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ucn9BBf4YhzCzVYTURIGMo2TAJTWETpRgNlZgric4AtTE24rwdA9y1xJHrzmUXEpqInCdnTrZZk2YkwkEoGcmtcJF+PKDre31iy+49xlOp2xdzNAPZ8sb8GLeOXKKyF9yXk9yDIhE0onH43niDnIXDfAURXNtHAFZKrPF2h28/8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mINi/neaPFUu4h7Asciad32UUUgeGYVGboq4WX6Aq8sJ8yZYhgRrfyU7n9WvH5JBGFVziyyTAw4V4QeBKModh9RnwE0hOiLsvyNCtt5CAfnoPdUlq2DedRUsN5ZjtHkVWh7AwdpyAUwZtZND/rEbI1S3RqA2jJvugTPruD2xTnE= Received: by 10.35.69.11 with SMTP id w11mr2164837pyk.1188580035847; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.122.12 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <64e8d2f20708311007k2368f317m79f487e24639a46a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:07:15 -0400 From: "Ryan Sims" <rwsims@gmail.com> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] genkernel vs kernel manual compilation In-Reply-To: <46D839C6.4050304@lix-world.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070830184238.0e18d880@pataki.bogus.net> <200708302351.44562.volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> <342e1090708301509g17c2abe3k11e43b4ca2b10d8b@mail.gmail.com> <200708310417.54047.volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> <46D839C6.4050304@lix-world.net> X-Archives-Salt: be63f925-bd98-438c-8d57-9ca62a1f6437 X-Archives-Hash: fe5b17bb4b159828db958d41fb782291 On 8/31/07, Steen Eugen Poulsen <sep@lix-world.net> wrote: > Volker Armin Hemmann skrev: > > because I have seen more than one non-booting totally f* up kernel created by > > genkernel. I won't touch it ever again. If something sucked in the past, the > > change is great that it sucks again in the future. Plus it doesn't really > > make things easier, does it? > > > Enough of this religous FUD spreading about Genkernel. > > Your outright lying. > > If you don't have anything to say than lies and FUD, maybe it's time to > stop saying anything. Ok, let's all just take a deep breath, chill out and get back on-topic. Clearly there are differing opinions/experiences about genkernel. We needn't get into a "religious" war on either side; I have a certain way I apporach kernel building that makes me avoid genkernel, that's my choice. There are those who like what genkernel does, that's their choice. I've made the argument that a non-genkernel config is less complicated than a genkernel config, and I think that's a supportable position. I've also argued that the OP should think about hand-configuring from scratch, as it reduces the number of variables to troubleshoot. I think Volker's point about genkernel not making things easier is just that it seems to be a source of confusion and complexity in this particular case (Volker please correct me if I'm wrong), which is a valid point. And it isn't "FUD" or "lies" to warn about having bad experiences with a tool in the past. If there are issues with my tone, or anyone else's tone, please say just that, rather than adding fuel to the fire. Ultimately, we're talking about whether or not to use a tool, and how to use that tool. No-one's going to live or die here: righteous anger and name-calling isn't appropriate. So again: take a deep breath, and let's try and help out a fellow gentoo-user instead of attacking each other. -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list