From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Qej5l-0005y8-BP for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 07:33:49 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0556221C09E; Thu, 7 Jul 2011 07:31:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5DBE21C09E for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2011 07:31:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwf26 with SMTP id 26so587781wwf.10 for ; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 00:31:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-type; bh=YxypbJ7JsgUgXI3mr12SGE5MkU8BKmf3AQK928LE6fE=; b=TAmQh7JJGoKWlCpuIlRdPDhbB92Q+0/vP9YRdl3AkfkiyT6SfH/oKFVoRbfEfi0rtD apavV1uTWAlq5w5V/vq8yklf+aqRpivqPtiNnWKyy6oaJ30sIFnuryNxs/RQY+ppkHUW AtIv6Xd6Jr8QjZcvK8h3z2e7UaEZ04nmTHMp0= Received: by 10.227.162.200 with SMTP id w8mr375994wbx.114.1310023901687; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 00:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nazgul.localnet (196-215-19-196.dynamic.isadsl.co.za [196.215.19.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ex2sm6651944wbb.48.2011.07.07.00.31.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 07 Jul 2011 00:31:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Cc: =?utf-8?B?5b6u6I+c?= Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it? Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 09:30:37 +0200 Message-ID: <6461919.NtEmo2L7JZ@nazgul> User-Agent: KMail/4.6.0 (Linux/2.6.39-ck; KDE/4.6.4; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <4E15161B.30202@fedoraproject.org> References: <4E15161B.30202@fedoraproject.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 0c045f65ba1e4d02265df12dc24994d5 On Thursday 07 July 2011 10:12:43 =E5=BE=AE=E8=8F=9C did opine thusly: > Devs can do what ever they think are right. Don't argue with them > unless you pay them. Want gtk2 support? Put your ebuild in your > personal overlay. Gentoo users have developed a certain expectation over the years,=20 whereby devs will take user needs seriously and go to extra-ordinary=20= lengths to support everything under the sun. That's what Gentoo does. That's how the system by and large works, and=20= that's what users have come to expect. It's unreasonable for a dev to=20= think they can willy-nilly change that based SOLELY on their own=20 opinion, as the greater community was not built around that behaviour. Commit rights never gave a dev that power. >=20 > On 2011=E5=B9=B407=E6=9C=8807=E6=97=A5 00:35, Nikos Chantziaras wrote= : > > Is there a secret plan in place to keep users from being able to > > use Gtk 2 in packages that support both Gtk 2 and 3? And if > > yes, why? Is the user considered too stupid to grasp the > > awesomeness of Gtk 3 so that the devs have to force the choice > > upon them? > >=20 > > I'm talking about this: > > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D374057 > >=20 > > So why should users not be able to choose Gtk 2 with a USE flag? > > What is the reason people use Gentoo? Isn't one of them the > > ability of being able to rebuild packages with different USE > > flags? > >=20 > > And what is happening to the developers lately? Some of them > > have become hostile and arrogant against their own users. --=20 alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com