[gentoo-user] mpv upgrade warning

[gentoo-user] mpv upgrade warning

[Daniel Frey]

I've been updating all of my frontends recently (I only do this
occasionally) and discovered a major flaw with media-video/mpv and
figured I should warn others.

As of version 0.9.0 mpv has removed all lirc support.

Those of us stuck with older remotes (or in my case I use irexec to do
other things with the remote besides sending keypresses to whatever has
focus) there's no longer any way to control mpv any more.

Their answer is to use evdev, but I can't as I use irexec:

"Very unclean code, the inability to test it, and availability of
supposedly better methods." [1]

I also noticed that mplayer2 is gone from the tree, which is too bad,
I'd much prefer it without updates versus a player that can't be
controlled with a remote.

I guess I'm going to have to switch back to mplayer and hope whatever
issue I had with it way back when has been resolved. Or maybe just go
back to xbmc's internal player. I dunno.

mpv was a good player but it's going to become rather useless for quite
a few people.

Dan

[1] https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/issues/1866

Re: [gentoo-user] mpv upgrade warning

[Mick]

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On Saturday 19 Sep 2015 07:41:22 Daniel Frey wrote:
> I've been updating all of my frontends recently (I only do this
> occasionally) and discovered a major flaw with media-video/mpv and
> figured I should warn others.
> 
> As of version 0.9.0 mpv has removed all lirc support.
> 
> Those of us stuck with older remotes (or in my case I use irexec to do
> other things with the remote besides sending keypresses to whatever has
> focus) there's no longer any way to control mpv any more.
> 
> Their answer is to use evdev, but I can't as I use irexec:
> 
> "Very unclean code, the inability to test it, and availability of
> supposedly better methods." [1]
> 
> I also noticed that mplayer2 is gone from the tree, which is too bad,
> I'd much prefer it without updates versus a player that can't be
> controlled with a remote.
> 
> I guess I'm going to have to switch back to mplayer and hope whatever
> issue I had with it way back when has been resolved. Or maybe just go
> back to xbmc's internal player. I dunno.
> 
> mpv was a good player but it's going to become rather useless for quite
> a few people.
> 
> Dan
> 
> [1] https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/issues/1866

You can head off to the attic and copy the <=0.9.0 version into a local 
overlay, but eventually things would break as various libs and dependencies 
move out of kilter.  Since this is not a production workstation or public 
facing server, you can leave it at that version and not update it until you 
buy new hardware.

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Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] mpv upgrade warning

[Daniel Frey]

On 09/19/2015 01:22 AM, Mick wrote:
> You can head off to the attic and copy the <=0.9.0 version into a local 
> overlay, but eventually things would break as various libs and dependencies 
> move out of kilter.  Since this is not a production workstation or public 
> facing server, you can leave it at that version and not update it until you 
> buy new hardware.
> 

I actually forgot I posted this, was rather sleepy. I also had to fight
udev changing sda to sdf for no damn good reason, wound up having to use
UUIDs (which I've never had to use before.)

The hardware is built into the htpc case and unless it stops working I
won't replace it - I don't want to have a dongle sitting off to the side.

Primarily though, I use irexec to do other things and evdev (or the
kernel's map to keypresses) doesn't appear to offer an equivalent.

As one example, the power key doesn't do squat with the
evdev/ir-keytable, I've tried extensively to get it to work. It works to
power it up if the machine is shut down, but neither xbmc or mythtv will
do anything with the power keystroke to shut it down. After a couple of
days messing around trying to get it to work, I set up irexec and it
worked immediately - and it's been that way for many years.

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] mpv upgrade warning

[Daniel Frey]

On 09/19/2015 01:22 AM, Mick wrote:
> You can head off to the attic and copy the <=0.9.0 version into a local 
> overlay, but eventually things would break as various libs and dependencies 
> move out of kilter.  Since this is not a production workstation or public 
> facing server, you can leave it at that version and not update it until you 
> buy new hardware.
> 

I also just discovered with it apparently you can't change the seek
times for forwarding/reversing through the video any longer, it appears
to fixed at 1 second, 5 seconds, and 1 minute. With lirc, I had it set
to values no longer available.

I just looked at the changelog and they made 10+ changes that would
break the user's config (IMO for no good reason.)

I guess for my slower CPUs I'll have to use vlc to get vaapi support.
(Now that I'm more awake, that's why I switched to mplayer2/mpv to begin
with.) Hopefully vlc won't do something so daft like remove lirc support.

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] mpv upgrade warning

[Neil Bothwick]

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On 19 September 2015 16:35:20 BST, Daniel Frey <djqfrey@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 09/19/2015 01:22 AM, Mick wrote:
> > You can head off to the attic and copy the <=0.9.0 version into a
> local 
> > overlay, but eventually things would break as various libs and
> dependencies 
> > move out of kilter.  Since this is not a production workstation or
> public 
> > facing server, you can leave it at that version and not update it
> until you 
> > buy new hardware.
> > 
> 
> I actually forgot I posted this, was rather sleepy. I also had to
> fight
> udev changing sda to sdf for no damn good reason, wound up having to
> use
> UUIDs (which I've never had to use before.)
> 
> The hardware is built into the htpc case and unless it stops working I
> won't replace it - I don't want to have a dongle sitting off to the
> side.
> 
> Primarily though, I use irexec to do other things and evdev (or the
> kernel's map to keypresses) doesn't appear to offer an equivalent.
> 
> As one example, the power key doesn't do squat with the
> evdev/ir-keytable, I've tried extensively to get it to work. It works
> to
> power it up if the machine is shut down, but neither xbmc or mythtv
> will
> do anything with the power keystroke to shut it down. After a couple
> of
> days messing around trying to get it to work, I set up irexec and it
> worked immediately - and it's been that way for many years.
> 
> Dan

Have you looked at evrouter? It allow you to run commands on evdev events. 
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Re: [gentoo-user] mpv upgrade warning

[Daniel Frey]

On 09/19/2015 09:28 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> 
> 
> Have you looked at evrouter? It allow you to run commands on evdev events.

No I'd never heard of that before. It could very well be when I set this
up years ago it was just very unstable back then.

Thanks for the tip, I'll look into that.

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] mpv upgrade warning

[wabenbau]

Daniel Frey <djqfrey@gmail.com> wrote:

> I actually forgot I posted this, was rather sleepy. I also had to
> fight udev changing sda to sdf for no damn good reason, wound up
> having to use UUIDs (which I've never had to use before.)

Because I'm a lazy guy, I'm using labels instead of UUIDs. They have
the advantage that I don't have to change fstab when I must replace 
a disk. 

--
Regards
wabe

Re: [gentoo-user] mpv upgrade warning

[Neil Bothwick]

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On 19 September 2015 19:55:45 BST, wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> Daniel Frey <djqfrey@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I actually forgot I posted this, was rather sleepy. I also had to
> > fight udev changing sda to sdf for no damn good reason, wound up
> > having to use UUIDs (which I've never had to use before.)
> 
> Because I'm a lazy guy, I'm using labels instead of UUIDs. They have
> the advantage that I don't have to change fstab when I must replace 
> a disk. 
> 
> --
> Regards
> wabe

Strictly speaking, you don't have to do that with UUIDs as you can change it to match the old one. That big advantage of labels is that they are human-readable. 
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Re: [gentoo-user] mpv upgrade warning

[Alan McKinnon]

On 19/09/2015 20:59, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On 19 September 2015 19:55:45 BST, wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>     Daniel Frey <djqfrey@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>         I actually forgot I posted this, was rather sleepy. I also had to
>         fight udev changing sda to sdf for no damn good reason, wound up
>         having to use UUIDs (which I've never had to use before.)
> 
> 
>     Because I'm a lazy guy, I'm using labels instead of UUIDs. They have
>     the advantage that I don't have to change fstab when I must replace 
>     a disk. 
> 
>     --
>     Regards
>     wabe
> 
> 
> 
> Strictly speaking, you don't have to do that with UUIDs as you can
> change it to match the old one. That big advantage of labels is that
> they are human-readable.

Well I can read UUIDs, they are hex gibberish but still readable.

Labels are human *understandable*


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] mpv upgrade warning

[Neil Bothwick]

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On 19 September 2015 20:11:31 BST, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 19/09/2015 20:59, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On 19 September 2015 19:55:45 BST, wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> >     Daniel Frey <djqfrey@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >         I actually forgot I posted this, was rather sleepy. I also
> had to
> >         fight udev changing sda to sdf for no damn good reason,
> wound up
> >         having to use UUIDs (which I've never had to use before.)
> > 
> > 
> >     Because I'm a lazy guy, I'm using labels instead of UUIDs. They
> have
> >     the advantage that I don't have to change fstab when I must
> replace 
> >     a disk. 
> > 
> >     --
> >     Regards
> >     wabe
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Strictly speaking, you don't have to do that with UUIDs as you can
> > change it to match the old one. That big advantage of labels is that
> > they are human-readable.
> 
> Well I can read UUIDs, they are hex gibberish but still readable.
> 
> Labels are human *understandable*
> 
> 
> -- 
> Alan McKinnon
> alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

That's like saying you can read French because you know the letters even if you know nothing of the language :P
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Re: [gentoo-user] mpv upgrade warning

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 19/09/2015 20:59, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On 19 September 2015 19:55:45 BST, wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>     Daniel Frey <djqfrey@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>         I actually forgot I posted this, was rather sleepy. I also had to
>>         fight udev changing sda to sdf for no damn good reason, wound up
>>         having to use UUIDs (which I've never had to use before.)
>>
>>
>>     Because I'm a lazy guy, I'm using labels instead of UUIDs. They have
>>     the advantage that I don't have to change fstab when I must replace 
>>     a disk. 
>>
>>     --
>>     Regards
>>     wabe
>>
>>
>>
>> Strictly speaking, you don't have to do that with UUIDs as you can
>> change it to match the old one. That big advantage of labels is that
>> they are human-readable.
> Well I can read UUIDs, they are hex gibberish but still readable.
>
> Labels are human *understandable*
>
>


Plus if the label is say usr, var, home or something, you have a clue
what it is used for.  Odds are, the one with the label home is the home
partition.  Then again, someone could mix them up to purposefully
confuse someone I guess.  :/  With UUIDs, who knows what is what there. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] mpv upgrade warning

[Alan McKinnon]

On 19/09/2015 21:17, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On 19 September 2015 20:11:31 BST, Alan McKinnon
> <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>     On 19/09/2015 20:59, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> 
>         On 19 September 2015 19:55:45 BST, wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>         Daniel Frey <djqfrey@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>         I actually forgot I posted this, was rather sleepy. I also had to
>         fight udev changing sda to sdf for no damn good reason, wound up
>         having to use UUIDs (which I've never had to use before.)
> 
> 
>         Because I'm a lazy guy, I'm using labels instead of UUIDs. They have
>         the advantage that I don't have to change fstab when I must replace
>         a disk.
> 
>         --
>         Regards
>         wabe
> 
> 
> 
>         Strictly speaking, you don't have to do that with UUIDs as you can
>         change it to match the old one. That big advantage of labels is that
>         they are human-readable.
> 
> 
>     Well I can read UUIDs, they are hex gibberish but still readable.
> 
>     Labels are human *understandable*
> 
> 
> That's like saying you can read French because you know the letters even
> if you know nothing of the language :P


Ah, but UUIDs have no intrinsic semantic meaning, they are just huge
chunks of guaranteed-unique text. Much like French come to think of it...


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] mpv upgrade warning

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 21:58:29 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> > That's like saying you can read French because you know the letters
> > even if you know nothing of the language :P  
> 
> Ah, but UUIDs have no intrinsic semantic meaning, they are just huge
> chunks of guaranteed-unique text. Much like French come to think of
> it...

Damn you, I was ready to hit reply then you beat me to it!


-- 
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Politically Incorrect -- and damn proud of it!

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Re: [gentoo-user] mpv upgrade warning

[Daniel Frey]

On 09/19/2015 12:44 PM, Dale wrote:
>>
>>
> 
> 
> Plus if the label is say usr, var, home or something, you have a clue
> what it is used for.  Odds are, the one with the label home is the home
> partition.  Then again, someone could mix them up to purposefully
> confuse someone I guess.  :/  With UUIDs, who knows what is what there. 
> 

Given how much trouble it was getting grub2 to cooperate (for some
reason device.map was missing, and grub-install --recheck didn't rebuild
it) I really don't want to mess with it again trying to get labels to work.

Actually, grub2 refused to use UUIDs in the grub2-mkconfig script, even
when I explicitly told it to via /etc/default/grub.

I wound up having to use the PARTUUID for the root= line or the system
would not boot (manually, vy forcing it in /etc/default/grub.)

Oddly enough, it was only one machine out of seven so far that's had
this weird udev "I'm gonna swap /dev/sda for /dev/sdf for no discernable
reason" problem.

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] mpv upgrade warning

[Dale]

Daniel Frey wrote:
> On 09/19/2015 12:44 PM, Dale wrote:
>>>
>>
>> Plus if the label is say usr, var, home or something, you have a clue
>> what it is used for.  Odds are, the one with the label home is the home
>> partition.  Then again, someone could mix them up to purposefully
>> confuse someone I guess.  :/  With UUIDs, who knows what is what there. 
>>
> Given how much trouble it was getting grub2 to cooperate (for some
> reason device.map was missing, and grub-install --recheck didn't rebuild
> it) I really don't want to mess with it again trying to get labels to work.
>
> Actually, grub2 refused to use UUIDs in the grub2-mkconfig script, even
> when I explicitly told it to via /etc/default/grub.
>
> I wound up having to use the PARTUUID for the root= line or the system
> would not boot (manually, vy forcing it in /etc/default/grub.)
>
> Oddly enough, it was only one machine out of seven so far that's had
> this weird udev "I'm gonna swap /dev/sda for /dev/sdf for no discernable
> reason" problem.
>
> Dan
>
>
>


Yea, sometimes things don't cooperate and we have to find a workaround. 
When that happens, you just have to do what you have to do. 

At least it boots correctly with it set up that way.  It's a improvement
over not booting.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] mpv upgrade warning

[wabenbau]

Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:

> On 19 September 2015 19:55:45 BST, wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> > Daniel Frey <djqfrey@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > I actually forgot I posted this, was rather sleepy. I also had to
> > > fight udev changing sda to sdf for no damn good reason, wound up
> > > having to use UUIDs (which I've never had to use before.)
> > 
> > Because I'm a lazy guy, I'm using labels instead of UUIDs. They have
> > the advantage that I don't have to change fstab when I must replace 
> > a disk. 
> > 
> > --
> > Regards
> > wabe
> 
> Strictly speaking, you don't have to do that with UUIDs as you can
> change it to match the old one.

THX for the hint. I didn't know this. But nevertheless it seems to be 
more work than using labels. :-)

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Regards
wabe

Re: [gentoo-user] mpv upgrade warning

[wabenbau]

Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On 19/09/2015 20:59, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> >> On 19 September 2015 19:55:45 BST, wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >>     Daniel Frey <djqfrey@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>         I actually forgot I posted this, was rather sleepy. I also
> >> had to fight udev changing sda to sdf for no damn good reason,
> >> wound up having to use UUIDs (which I've never had to use before.)
> >>
> >>
> >>     Because I'm a lazy guy, I'm using labels instead of UUIDs.
> >> They have the advantage that I don't have to change fstab when I
> >> must replace a disk. 
> >>
> >>     --
> >>     Regards
> >>     wabe
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Strictly speaking, you don't have to do that with UUIDs as you can
> >> change it to match the old one. That big advantage of labels is
> >> that they are human-readable.
> > Well I can read UUIDs, they are hex gibberish but still readable.
> >
> > Labels are human *understandable*
> >
> >
> 
> 
> Plus if the label is say usr, var, home or something, you have a clue
> what it is used for.  Odds are, the one with the label home is the
> home partition.  Then again, someone could mix them up to purposefully
> confuse someone I guess.  :/  With UUIDs, who knows what is what
> there. 

That's also an advantage of labels. It's the same thing with domainnames
and IP addresses. For most people, words are easier to remember than 
numbers. Of course this depends on the words which are used. An URL like

http://www.vatnajokulsthjodgardur.is

is probably harder to remember than the belonging IP address. At least
for non Icelanders. :-)

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Regards

Re: [gentoo-user] mpv upgrade warning

[Peter Humphrey]

On Saturday 19 September 2015 21:11:31 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 19/09/2015 20:59, Neil Bothwick wrote:

> > Strictly speaking, you don't have to do that with UUIDs as you can
> > change it to match the old one. That big advantage of labels is that
> > they are human-readable.
> 
> Well I can read UUIDs, they are hex gibberish but still readable.
> 
> Labels are human *understandable*

Well, it isn't often I can call someone else a pedant, but now's my big chance 
so I'm taking it - pedant!

:-)

Personally, I'd just say that labels are legible and leave it at that.

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] mpv upgrade warning

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 09:34:57 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:

> > > Strictly speaking, you don't have to do that with UUIDs as you can
> > > change it to match the old one. That big advantage of labels is that
> > > they are human-readable.  
> > 
> > Well I can read UUIDs, they are hex gibberish but still readable.
> > 
> > Labels are human *understandable*  
> 
> Well, it isn't often I can call someone else a pedant, but now's my big
> chance so I'm taking it - pedant!

One of the OED definitions of readable is "interesting or pleasant to
read". I stand by my original statement, argumentative pedants
notwithstanding. :P


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Loose bits sink chips.

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[OT] Re: [gentoo-user] mpv upgrade warning

[Peter Humphrey]

On Sunday 20 September 2015 10:19:14 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 09:34:57 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > > > Strictly speaking, you don't have to do that with UUIDs as you can
> > > > change it to match the old one. That big advantage of labels is that
> > > > they are human-readable.
> > > 
> > > Well I can read UUIDs, they are hex gibberish but still readable.
> > > 
> > > Labels are human *understandable*
> > 
> > Well, it isn't often I can call someone else a pedant, but now's my big
> > chance so I'm taking it - pedant!
> 
> One of the OED definitions of readable is "interesting or pleasant to
> read". I stand by my original statement, argumentative pedants
> notwithstanding. :P

I agree with you. It's Alan I called a pedant for trying to split hairs.

I had a trial version of OED* on my mobile, but it was not good so I've 
reverted to Chambers, which includes "legible" as its first definition of 
Readable, and "clear enough to be deciphered" as its first definition of 
Legible.

* Actually I think it was the ODE (the Oxford Dictionary of English), which 
has been criticised widely and is not their best dictionary.

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] mpv upgrade warning

[Alan McKinnon]

On 20/09/2015 14:45, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Sunday 20 September 2015 10:19:14 Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 09:34:57 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>>>>> Strictly speaking, you don't have to do that with UUIDs as you can
>>>>> change it to match the old one. That big advantage of labels is that
>>>>> they are human-readable.
>>>>
>>>> Well I can read UUIDs, they are hex gibberish but still readable.
>>>>
>>>> Labels are human *understandable*
>>>
>>> Well, it isn't often I can call someone else a pedant, but now's my big
>>> chance so I'm taking it - pedant!
>>
>> One of the OED definitions of readable is "interesting or pleasant to
>> read". I stand by my original statement, argumentative pedants
>> notwithstanding. :P
> 
> I agree with you. It's Alan I called a pedant for trying to split hairs.

I guess that's what I get for trying to be excessively clever!



> 
> I had a trial version of OED* on my mobile, but it was not good so I've 
> reverted to Chambers, which includes "legible" as its first definition of 
> Readable, and "clear enough to be deciphered" as its first definition of 
> Legible.
> 
> * Actually I think it was the ODE (the Oxford Dictionary of English), which 
> has been criticised widely and is not their best dictionary.
> 


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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] mpv upgrade warning

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 13:45:18 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:

> > One of the OED definitions of readable is "interesting or pleasant to
> > read". I stand by my original statement, argumentative pedants
> > notwithstanding. :P  
> 
> I agree with you. It's Alan I called a pedant for trying to split hairs.

I know, a wonderful case of the pot calling the kettle black :P
 
> I had a trial version of OED* on my mobile, but it was not good so I've 
> reverted to Chambers, which includes "legible" as its first definition
> of Readable, and "clear enough to be deciphered" as its first
> definition of Legible.

I have a proper printed OED, all 1800 pages of it. It's a few years old
so doesn't include words like selfie or twerking, but I get by with it.
It's main use is for dealing with would be pedants ;-)


-- 
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Top Oxymorons Number 37: Sanitary landfill

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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] mpv upgrade warning

[Alan McKinnon]

On 20/09/2015 18:40, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 13:45:18 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> 
>>> One of the OED definitions of readable is "interesting or pleasant to
>>> read". I stand by my original statement, argumentative pedants
>>> notwithstanding. :P  
>>
>> I agree with you. It's Alan I called a pedant for trying to split hairs.
> 
> I know, a wonderful case of the pot calling the kettle black :P
>  
>> I had a trial version of OED* on my mobile, but it was not good so I've 
>> reverted to Chambers, which includes "legible" as its first definition
>> of Readable, and "clear enough to be deciphered" as its first
>> definition of Legible.
> 
> I have a proper printed OED, all 1800 pages of it.

If you don't have it in the morning anymore, it's because I broken into
you house and stole it.

You lucky bugger you. I've wanted such a dictionary for years


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Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] mpv upgrade warning

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 19:10:49 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> > I have a proper printed OED, all 1800 pages of it.  
> 
> If you don't have it in the morning anymore, it's because I broken into
> you house and stole it.
> 
> You lucky bugger you. I've wanted such a dictionary for years

I picked it up from a market stall for, I think, £7. It was brand new but
2-3 years old. That sentence should bring the pedants out in force :)


-- 
Neil Bothwick

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when
we created them." (Albert Einstein)

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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] mpv upgrade warning

[Paul Klos]

Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> schreef op 20 september 2015 18:40:05 CEST
>
> [snip]
>
>I have a proper printed OED, all 1800 pages of it. It's a few years old
>so doesn't include words like selfie or twerking, but I get by with it.
>It's main use is for dealing with would be pedants ;-)

Since we're being pedantic, that would be "Its main use" in this case ☺

Cheers,

Paul

Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] mpv upgrade warning

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 22:46:35 +0200, Paul Klos wrote:

> >It's main use is for dealing with would be pedants ;-)  
> 
> Since we're being pedantic, that would be "Its main use" in this case ☺

There's no escape from that one :(

That could jeopardise my membership of The Apostrophe Protection Society.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

MUPHRY'S LAW: The principle that any criticism of the writing of others
will itself contain at least one grammatical error.

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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] mpv upgrade warning

[Peter Humphrey]

On Sunday 20 September 2015 22:20:36 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 22:46:35 +0200, Paul Klos wrote:
> > >It's main use is for dealing with would be pedants ;-)
> > 
> > Since we're being pedantic, that would be "Its main use" in this case ☺
> 
> There's no escape from that one :(
> 
> That could jeopardise my membership of The Apostrophe Protection Society.

You and 10,000 greengrocers.   :)

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Rgds
Peter