From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1S6onH-0004QZ-5J for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 19:51:03 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E7E43E096B; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 19:50:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5EF3E0850 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 19:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from oxusltgw10.schlund.de (oxusltgw10.lxa.perfora.net [172.19.206.12]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MEXk9-1S8nme1ykj-00FffQ; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 15:49:41 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 15:49:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Daddy To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <6242950.530589.1331495381519.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> In-Reply-To: <20120311192830.GA25554@waltdnes.org> References: <20111115062115.GA3262@waltdnes.org> <20111121104724.GC7461@waltdnes.org> <20111201194544.GD4455@waltdnes.org> <20120217234045.GA25390@waltdnes.org> <20120311090912.GA23850@waltdnes.org> <499847436.525568.1331465225324.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> <20120311192830.GA25554@waltdnes.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_530588_2140328721.1331495381476" X-Priority: 3 Importance: Medium X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v6.20.0-Rev36 X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:79q6GEgSJLSAMLyEJM8WBFd6TbBq5n9JVgNfQAeKSCB eW70KESpmJFkhET4EK3ByJEBM1ZunQq02/DFSTYEROrENaeCNW rPuI5SPEpRwENM+tJevnZa+BqF9pB/JuXCLiH1PxBlbadVeZ7g TinfVB1jq2i8E45rpU7SfUHKuaLH0WZeT2V9T6pI07KmkwgYXz zjqyMKjXVOMBA4XU6Y6ab8f1IdrHXpAnVBCvo90Wah++Ln4JMu eQ1vlQ0RiKe8P0kCKMVpoFNqA7vuW7TUvVmsBobvMh7Vc7unsg vP0IkGvN5wLcX7wpznhO6PFYpzYN5oKCG4ZUnrTe1ii7Z/oxhn HiF0DRu2aUd+GmP0mRMxSIGKlnD17GK7OCAFQugiEJLFCt2udp HrdAbvuSUwSgW7ywCgj8y3yi3usH/KIQ50QfNiHYGX1SuvM13z 66VpK X-Archives-Salt: c37e46e4-b08d-4057-b24a-dd5d32df862f X-Archives-Hash: 3ac2d1b5ada8eedd7b84227c1bb3abd0 ------=_Part_530588_2140328721.1331495381476 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On March 11, 2012 at 3:28 PM Walter Dnes wrote: > On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 07:27:05AM -0400, Daddy wrote > > > Having personally long considered Lennart Poettering a 'spawn of > > the devil' my question is ... is this your reaction to systemd? > > It's my reaction to the "Windows-isation" and "Firefox-isation" of > linux. So far I've managed to keep systemd and hal and dbus and > pulseaudio off my machines. I agree with Linus Torvalds that linux is > getting bloated and huge and scary... > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/22/linus_torvalds_linux_bloated_huge/ We share the same opinions there. To me the Linux distros have shot their desktops in the foot; instead of getting _better_ than the competition, IMO they've actually gotten worse in the last 5 years. Will joyfully read that from Linus after my nap. (Probably did long ago and forgot it.) > > One minor typo to point out: > > > > /atc/portage/package.mask should be /etc/portage/package.mask > > Thanks; fixed now. > Even when I can't offer code changes, typos are easy (having grown up in the newspaper and printing business). > > I just joined this list last week, but might consider sacrificing > > some hardware to join your endeavor if you need more testers. > > I have a couple of regular desktops here at home, and a desktop > dedicted to my TV, plus a netbook, and a laptop. So far, I've run into > only one situation where laziness on my part ends up requiring udev. > The laptop has an ATI Radeon chip that requires emerging radeon-ucode. > That ebuild simply dumps a bunch of binary blobs into a library folder. > The kernel loads one of the binary blobs at bootup. Radeon-ucode has > blobs for 2 or 3 dozen differnt Radeon GPU models. If I leave all the > binary blobs in the library folder, the kernel needs udev to figure out > which blob to load. But, if I leave only the correct blob for my GPU in > the library folder (move/delete all the others), it loads properly > without any help from udev. > > -- > Walter Dnes > iamben in #gentoo on IRC has piqued my interest to build a HTPC. Friday I put a 60G SSD and a 1TB mechanical drive on a board, partitioned the SDD, and d/led stage3 and portage before stopping. That and the earlier mentioned test machine will be my builds for tomorrow. Actually the HTPC is a strange idea, since we don't watch or even own a TV, but it might be a way to sell some of this hardware on my shelf. Kindest regards, Bruce Hill -- sig to come after punching a hole in the LAN and starting mutt on the server ------=_Part_530588_2140328721.1331495381476 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

 


On March 11, 2012 at 3:28 PM Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 07:27:05AM -0400, Daddy wrote
>
> > Having personally long considered Lennart Poettering a 'spawn of
> > the devil' my question is ... is this your reaction to systemd?
>
>   It's my reaction to the "Windows-isation" and "Firefox-isation" of
> linux.  So far I've managed to keep systemd and hal and dbus and
> pulseaudio off my machines.  I agree with Linus Torvalds that linux is
> getting bloated and huge and scary...
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/22/linus_torvalds_linux_bloated_huge/

 

We share the same opinions there. To me the Linux distros have shot their desktops in the foot; instead of getting _better_ than the competition, IMO they've actually gotten worse in the last 5 years.

 

Will joyfully read that from Linus after my nap. (Probably did long ago and forgot it.)

 

> > One minor typo to point out:
> >
> > /atc/portage/package.mask should be /etc/portage/package.mask
>
>   Thanks; fixed now.
>

 

Even when I can't offer code changes, typos are easy (having grown up in the newspaper and printing business).

 

> > I just joined this list last week, but might consider sacrificing
> > some hardware to join your endeavor if you need more testers.
>
>   I have a couple of regular desktops here at home, and a desktop
> dedicted to my TV, plus a netbook, and a laptop.  So far, I've run into
> only one situation where laziness on my part ends up requiring udev.
> The laptop has an ATI Radeon chip that requires emerging radeon-ucode.
> That ebuild simply dumps a bunch of binary blobs into a library folder.
> The kernel loads one of the binary blobs at bootup.  Radeon-ucode has
> blobs for 2 or 3 dozen differnt Radeon GPU models.  If I leave all the
> binary blobs in the library folder, the kernel needs udev to figure out
> which blob to load.  But, if I leave only the correct blob for my GPU in
> the library folder (move/delete all the others), it loads properly
> without any help from udev.
>
> --
> Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>
>

iamben in #gentoo on IRC has piqued my interest to build a HTPC. Friday I put a 60G SSD and a 1TB mechanical drive on a board, partitioned the SDD, and d/led stage3 and portage before stopping. That and the earlier mentioned test machine will be my builds for tomorrow. Actually the HTPC is a strange idea, since we don't watch or even own a TV, but it might be a way to sell some of this hardware on my shelf.

 

Kindest regards,

Bruce Hill 

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