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To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <2284374.iZASKD2KPV@rogueboard> From: Dale Autocrypt: addr=rdalek1967@gmail.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBGFSciYBEADcEGMyJBSuavKO/XKUVvgkxck7Nl8Iuu8N2lcnRji/rSKg5c1Acix1ll9i oW8JBCHwvn0+Xy60BvEsqcup3YSHw5STl/bR1ePEehtnYrg8FdjdS91+B805RfnKMm69rFVI wLSBHQrSG1yxHd8CloWoEdhmVtP24buajbh114bgXd9ahtpZrCVMrWdWYUg2mEXguGV5uNAh Rf8SWxDNc79w24JxsV34a8niMUYMjzWr0rafIbzk732X38vGjVMLo/2mMpkbp9mPp++LHoY+ 0Pet8zxxdXPJSCd475kza1AD+hhSyBZXB9yknYWgyY3cZe1rGmooJSi2KX4QxO7npwLThcO1 be6KKRkd35+Fi/a1BzVOHsZMiK/gcwxEFoMd27gir4ehaeHJfFXl+65w4hj0EsOZSxrJrm2C R50g5By2czSKP1bADEygFNpIJj51AR+wM88NImG2RPtlT2maYBzazvF05g65cdHXGp1C7W5P wwwKU2DgABB2t7N7z5A69LnryBRw4zUYDRRYLTYlBlYgg+xILm2c0OrBdxJgLJa7JE50Eo25 d3PFwt9J0gYvqy6sPFLl9So0sDg9zm0hKQtXOP5kgropUFGrNoJI+mjwF4rYLRBVzZwNAvlO OhEvHubBo3mEllv4x+FeptwXZxlk7gUsdqI8AxnFB8K9wi6FVQARAQABtBtEYWxlIDxyZGFs ZWsxOTY3QGdtYWlsLmNvbT6JAk4EEwEIADgCGyMFCwkIBwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AW IQQSG1h01ruv/WNXc3Q3RqOgiQH1GwUCYVJy8gAKCRA3RqOgiQH1G+waEACeTZCt77jnRAmQ AV7otKuZekDWiLi3Eig8tj5ZJiCNSYA/hIxzmexRP0GMqjitcXK1iGwWcvMzzvIq30GAjIfB 4BR38cnXbtBa6fNewiT7QaZe/Hn6yBRldXNQypzbHy+/o27bUEy+oX4rE7etUgEHQAjuw7xz XFWg4tH1/KJvsOVY5upnWc5LdxYhsuQ3dQD4b22GsK0pOBDfb9PiirYM8eGKvrVuq4E/c75z lDDFhINl18lNZ9D0ZFL3IkTjHsAAqFH9uhnnEB8CWdHbBewPEfRaOhBUYWZ3Q8uTkmDgZT8q D9jlvLEdw7Nh2ApdxoepnI/4D+ql2Gr4DtH7SEPydr5gcf1Qr/2bXRb1hAYnIVcbncs/Bm3Z bkRKPVWMfE3Fusa+p5hMzixk0YysMaTHlc7mYRYAEZGnPMXnmcCbetwARU7A0yz1M1kCMOAQ Lsz8KH5kv3cRenMB6SFfjND2JfAK61H5TtnPq3L8noS2ZykRYxq9Nm3X64O1tJojIKBoZFr8 AwYNCvqC6puUyGMuzHPh7jPof8glfrrEKIYUvNPGMDoVX3IGetxh/9l6NcxgFA4JGoR+LS3C zmeNrwlllAe3OEUfKoWVQ+pagpSdM+8hHolaSda4Ys66Z3fCR4ZvcTqfhTAVskpqdXa4isAk 7vTcXu3L499ttywEp7rJTbkCDQRhUnImARAAncUdVhmtRr59zqpTUppKroQYlzR0jv8oa7DG K4gakTAT2N7evnI9wpssmzyVk8VEiLzhnFQ/Ol3FRt6hZCXDJt0clyHOyTfvz/MNFttWuZTc mLpSvmRR6VRjAH+Tz3Eam2xUw3PGuH97BcXQ3NnX3msv1UDxtxxBu6e2YrdeOhrCUSgzokcJ 98ChUNy934cgepPybAI12lSWqVFQ1aG7jExZfiUk+333fPSDbpKoZbTW5YJLXbycmW/C1IWL qYQyNjRWKaGoJtUWFhhmNiOQct7n90aKivNVPavmN+UQ9LlMaINtf9T6XCzLfogCFsulDCDJ 0yNQLDTurHaB4E71xoctgXmLLq9z1RQ0W2XiVAAOZQj6K3+d0AOUjDhCQ2QW8dUSq0ckkZXV DKVJOGS8Nhf2eIWIqRnP3AcUiiaiFGqUaVUmUAZ6h/oJmgghEu/1S+pcuUKU5i69+XCZ3hH2 Jzwzbf7K+FAIkOhCfHncF8i1N1pk00pOVykNnqHTfFo3qFusHt0ZWgXVnnn4pYdXqZNoDhvF BRE5Vm4k/k96Pw8HRx6Os6eFSRrlqGzRgqsu86FekxusXB9UGv4lJhtU/J+8MRWsh22K718s DbQnABicGKFz1qQlWvcf59oTByhLINJCBt1WXl+TzJDXepr3QSkqmK41dO9Hob97C9dMiK8A EQEAAYkCNgQYAQgAIAIbDBYhBBIbWHTWu6/9Y1dzdDdGo6CJAfUbBQJhUnLyAAoJEDdGo6CJ AfUbVHIQAKSWw620vPhR3A/njU2z77F3z/Jk+HTKdE3fIyWSWdkYN7CBFL0NguOMP30WZ+qE sJhZu7T5hf251MwQUUt27xlfnKYOmQs7CqONlXuXlGZI6WufrUjxNcVz+5gJsqvUWuuJWsgg sDmE92IBnfG/f81fPHWQyfr/SF4wYDMyoFp5xCCQpp1zB63iuFvvrhxBkEHzmbRtVDOhl0Xp BVEDR1w3QRACw9QJD/KM05Czv9JNQYlwinWO/OaQ9cMlUpKLgswUPg9IZ5vucxScfuAUA5uC B1jlAQ8ZPlVukBmbEv5RGOv+lpuEbA3YDMVtEeH4YMFbjt/+vH3Cr2vTbp5JlpByLburJEH0 WXZLUawEfUsZvVwpOuJK75vaa2HYXee+Cb3iCIzwfIfctdlqzUcbGRczlRNM59hpvj4z29Gh 3kAxVHItAYq54ikxQ9l4hQ8s9sLYPbX/WtcBxNX8crBSw0FLnmzGleVEtBHyqtt5CLzQNgrj GYWl1vKDUmRPw1CdZ1c+fMN9CY11jOM5B5ZnqZWfDeVYO2iJ5SuvTycChexCb8WYn1bdCBIo bBtga2RBXbVt4Mh9E4owsszefn51MwfjXxB20Fc5k3GU1AVpTCMs3ayYCzo0b2pvEvdjtDcA CYLEFPWgaFX9iQAM/CDfKvTtvgGWpqtCL2raq/mQoJEU Message-ID: <61ae6f8b-c889-5c7d-1e4a-2ab493f9bfb6@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2024 05:44:08 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.19 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2284374.iZASKD2KPV@rogueboard> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------CD70E3FB7194B406EDD09DFA" X-Archives-Salt: 5ec260b5-a1b9-4110-aa58-5c754dc8c13b X-Archives-Hash: 4540d157236c623b1c4ba4af023788dc This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------CD70E3FB7194B406EDD09DFA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Michael wrote: > On Thursday 26 September 2024 08:28:47 BST Dale wrote: >> ssmtp stopped working with a conventional password when Google >> introduced 2- > Step-Verification for their GMail account. Consequently, to be able to > continue using ssmtp you need to set up an 'App Password' and use the 16- > character password generated by Google to login: > > https://support.google.com/mail/answer/185833 > > It used to be the case you could set up an 'App Password' without having to > provide them with your phone number and other 'none-of-their-business' > personal information, but for some years now they have been asking for more > information to allow you to complete setting up 'App Password' for your Google > account(s) and device(s). > I also tried the 16 character password method too.  It still didn't work.  >>> I would never use a free Email service to send -- its worth exactly >>> what you pay for! > When the service is offered as being supposedly 'free', you, by providing your > data, is the product. > > >> Well, I been wanting to switch but can't find one I know I will like >> long term. I don't want to switch then not like it and have to switch >> again. Then maybe repeat that a few times. I was thinking about >> switching to startmail but they started this captcha stuff which makes >> their website unusable for me. Every time I clicked on something, >> captcha. Click on something else, captcha. I stopped using startpage >> completely after reaching out to them and basically, getting little to >> no real help. Shame really. Seemed like a good option. > Mass-market services cannot afford providing individual user support. At best > they may provide some FAQs. Some may host a forum of sorts for users to offer > support to other users. Oh, ... hold on! LOL! > > >> If you know a email service that isn't to expensive but is secure, not >> secure enough to block me from doing things I need to do tho, I'm open >> to ideas. I'd like something that is outside the USA if possible. You >> know, one of those countries that tells folks to go pound sand when they >> want to snoop around. ;-) > The snooping mostly takes place across borders. Your government's 3-letter > agencies will ask whichever other hosting country's agencies to share with > them any information they have about you and reciprocate accordingly. There > is no privacy on the Internet. > > That said, if you're interested in limiting opportunistic snooping, something > like this may help: > > https://proton.me/mail I'll have to check into that more.  I'm not sure I could send my system emails through that tho.  It sounds like it requires encryption end to end.  I think.  Dale :-)  :-)  --------------CD70E3FB7194B406EDD09DFA Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Michael wrote:
On Thursday 26 September 2024 08:28:47 BST Dale wrote:


          ssmtp stopped working with a conventional password when Google
          introduced 2-
        

        
Step-Verification for their GMail account.  Consequently, to be able to 
continue using ssmtp you need to set up an 'App Password' and use the 16-
character password generated by Google to login:

 https://support.google.com/mail/answer/185833

It used to be the case you could set up an 'App Password' without having to 
provide them with your phone number and other 'none-of-their-business' 
personal information, but for some years now they have been asking for more 
information to allow you to complete setting up 'App Password' for your Google 
account(s) and device(s).



      

    

    

    I also tried the 16 character password method too.  It still didn't
    work.  

    

    

      

        

        

          

            
I would never use a free Email service to send -- its worth exactly
what you pay for!


          

        

        
When the service is offered as being supposedly 'free', you, by providing your 
data, is the product.




        

          
Well, I been wanting to switch but can't find one I know I will like
long term.  I don't want to switch then not like it and have to switch
again.  Then maybe repeat that a few times.  I was thinking about
switching to startmail but they started this captcha stuff which makes
their website unusable for me.  Every time I clicked on something,
captcha.  Click on something else, captcha.  I stopped using startpage
completely after reaching out to them and basically, getting little to
no real help.  Shame really.  Seemed like a good option. 


        

        
Mass-market services cannot afford providing individual user support.  At best 
they may provide some FAQs.  Some may host a forum of sorts for users to offer 
support to other users.  Oh, ... hold on!  LOL!




        

          
If you know a email service that isn't to expensive but is secure, not
secure enough to block me from doing things I need to do tho, I'm open
to ideas.  I'd like something that is outside the USA if possible.  You
know, one of those countries that tells folks to go pound sand when they
want to snoop around.  ;-)


        

        
The snooping mostly takes place across borders.  Your government's 3-letter 
agencies will ask whichever other hosting country's agencies to share with 
them any information they have about you and reciprocate accordingly.  There 
is no privacy on the Internet.

That said, if you're interested in limiting opportunistic snooping, something 
like this may help:

https://proton.me/mail


      

    

    

    

    I'll have to check into that more.  I'm not sure I could send my
    system emails through that tho.  It sounds like it requires
    encryption end to end.  I think.  

    

    Dale 

    

    :-)  :-)  

  


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