From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QeYwv-0007iw-80 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 20:43:57 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E1BFA21C0D1; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 20:42:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F5B21C0D1 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 20:42:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwf26 with SMTP id 26so290069wwf.10 for ; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 13:42:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-type; bh=IGo2wvm6PS5CfQopqjuWiMlSFKAbpXjPIMr1yBvqQ2c=; b=mDVMKGk9wQya2up5Jlpn4JkApFbQOlMJK1co1bZ4vtX41CuVpfD6zJxkx7ceJiNwQP coD/Lb9MiKRVl42mYTI84z6gxHfgErJSCQdcJPHDSAjE6mVmA3xRxFii5lj+5TsLOM6a nl6jSkb34qPOY/3zURq6ImRFWwZ55+uFCdcb4= Received: by 10.227.13.147 with SMTP id c19mr8009164wba.87.1309984951748; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 13:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nazgul.localnet (196-215-19-196.dynamic.isadsl.co.za [196.215.19.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fy9sm1308288wbb.42.2011.07.06.13.42.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 06 Jul 2011 13:42:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo wiping out Gtk 2 support from packages that support it? Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 22:41:25 +0200 Message-ID: <6151119.rLbBTuJhbN@nazgul> User-Agent: KMail/4.6.0 (Linux/2.6.39-ck; KDE/4.6.4; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <4E14BF3B.8020607@coolmail.se> References: <5098158.chQrAVvWtm@nazgul> <4E14BF3B.8020607@coolmail.se> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 762fc84810e7f9784785863391b4ee69 On Wednesday 06 July 2011 22:02:03 pk did opine thusly: > > Devs get a certain amount of leeway and tolerance from users > > because of what they do as volunteers. But there's a line > > somewhere and in my view arbitrarily deciding to obsolete a > > toolkit just because you feel > > Yes, but what can we do about it? Force him (I assume he's > volunteering and is not payed for his work) to continue supporting > it? Well, I assume we could pay him... or something. Well, there's really only one thing that appeals to your average dev in any area: Treat them like a dev and appeal to their better judgement. One can recognise that a dev is acting like a total dick, but pointing it out gets you nowhere. I refer you to my vast experience of attempting to do the same with the devs I work with :-) It also applies to sysadmins, people who (embarrassingly) point out that I am a complete jerk lots of the time tend to get nowhere to. Reasoned, well supported arguments coupled with a little ego-stroking is what motivates most devs. Nikos' last comment on the bug is a good one - asking for a list of supported gnome apps in the tree that require gtk+-2. It does require that one put aside one's urges to pull this off. Price of the trade we work in, I suppose. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com