From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C28115815E for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2024 12:54:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E04852BC019; Fri, 9 Feb 2024 12:54:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gw1.antarean.org (gw1.antarean.org [194.145.200.214]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C260E2A2E for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2024 12:53:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gw1.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TWYh716jyzyPy for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2024 12:53:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at antarean.org Received: from gw1.antarean.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gw1.antarean.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ra6qRGMOczgo for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2024 12:53:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailstore1.adm.antarean.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gw1.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TWYh63QJczyP7 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2024 12:53:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailstore1.adm.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TWYh62BPbz1H for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2024 12:53:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at antarean.org Received: from mailstore1.adm.antarean.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailstore1.adm.antarean.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2pkfmbYMaAbQ for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2024 12:53:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from iris.localnet (iris.adm.antarean.org [10.55.16.47]) by mailstore1.adm.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4TWYh56GX8z17 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2024 12:53:57 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=antarean.org; s=default; t=1707483237; bh=LuzVGkHGZcE8iQmLQ+0S+iX9ZrNE9XY2uCCkzKnezSE=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=E7miMqb4iJsFqNt0bxfV8FQw4c4S4mAGbi35FeintBLusHMWGokWtyAXj3+Eaujim 88B6a7s6GE3iA+nd70T0UNaMjkVEt/ErYIYRlZosuJs13qyR2lJA7Z138DAeGsFxYC RGvuhZaSYLNtNRXs/tdT/j3E58DvsOXhX2noM4uY= From: "J. Roeleveld" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Suggestions for backup scheme? Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2024 13:53:57 +0100 Message-ID: <6030216.lOV4Wx5bFT@iris> In-Reply-To: <9424ee8e-a300-4f14-83d7-1d81eddcf67b@youngman.org.uk> References: <12379239.O9o76ZdvQC@iris> <9424ee8e-a300-4f14-83d7-1d81eddcf67b@youngman.org.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Archives-Salt: 6f621054-0f3c-4f9e-a0da-495e46b1f2fb X-Archives-Hash: f8691377e5a9f3da7891a8d0800c8f14 On Thursday, February 8, 2024 6:36:56 PM CET Wols Lists wrote: > On 08/02/2024 06:32, J. Roeleveld wrote: > >> After all, there's nothing stopping*you* from combining Linux and ZFS, > >> it's just that somebody else can't do that for you, and then give you > >> the resulting binary. > > > > Linux (kernel) and ZFS can't be merged. Fine. > > But they can. Not if you want to release it > > But, Linux (the OS, as in, kernel + userspace) and ZFS can be merged > > legally. > Likewise here, they can. > > The problem is, the BINARY can NOT be distributed. And the problem is > the ZFS licence, not Linux. You can distribute the binary of both, just not embedded into a single binary. > What Linus, and the kernel devs, and that crowd *think* is irrelevant. It is, as they are actively working on removing API calls that filesystems like ZFS actually need and hiding them behind a GPL wall. > What matters is what SUSE, and Red Hat, and Canonical et al think. And > if they're not prepared to take the risk of distributing the kernel with > ZFS built in, because they think it's a legal minefield, then that's > THEIR decision. I'm not talking about distributing ZFS embedded into the kernel. It's perfectly fine to distribute a distribution with ZFS as a kernel module. The issue is caused by the linux kernel devs blocking access to (previously existing and open) API calls and limiting them to GPL only. > That problem doesn't apply to gentoo, because it distributes the linux > kernel and ZFS separately, and combines them ON THE USER'S MACHINE. But > the big distros are not prepared to take the risk of combining linux and > ZFS, and distributing the resulting *derived* *work*. I would class Ubuntu as a big distribution and proxmox is also used a lot. Both have ZFS support. -- Joost