From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 767EA1395E2 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 22:37:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F7B1E0BDE; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 22:37:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f66.google.com (mail-wm0-f66.google.com [74.125.82.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 057E3E0B31 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 22:37:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f66.google.com with SMTP id u144so16120146wmu.0 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 14:37:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TEH4Xzajs7XiFz+HOOo/zc91djdT1sjrG7Hh7Znra3w=; b=zaVW1llTK5hlJvat30Q7pR60rdh9o93M5zxyB9+1yyqWQhq4Zdr7T6TgG5k4LfPAqW q7kY1T2EGV4Ns8LEsaSAke97fXwaV2P0+B/JFwTNu/c7R+564LoZUFkdIKY89Lxgx/OL msgjsc2MH6MQyqhsVfPPjJfOWxKyCBPJh4y/5eV7DMoz45a9w0vObAdm5uA9yncyLVk9 h6C8khuYL//0R0D28wdtu8BA8l8o/sK42Be1aY96jrfH8WoZSgt0BBo2/Ua3CYUjRqUB YOR/tJFj4AH6Or4plXbaocfs3aTfQAyg/cqZcEc2mDbedq2JXUDRmAAW7lq8OeTK+u4O klAw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TEH4Xzajs7XiFz+HOOo/zc91djdT1sjrG7Hh7Znra3w=; b=JfCI5aAwAT/N3IiJ/BuPHhQrD1IQEyzOfIkS0WjPxM4rcex3bnA3VOGW/Q0/fmnxiN InANc6HkUQyiYycyn277dY8EC1Z4ktdck4Gp6Gdq54fScFe+DUmgs4EasAeg6qkK0taM d7ur+zDDiPAffC6AqRQuJIIkhEfPWSvic5wi++YmFrkVR7tWQOWWEB2AbwQm/kqWEkcj YN5qrSRpL0v5EmZMKI0VmaLErcQZV4SV9bJDRNLPnnq02yF0scuWwXpxqeNKg0zr9loN LE5blM4+Z4nc1BGl9WnRohhcKQqR/TpyuSuBQzZGSm4oWRSM/rSOFdSnjt2Xui2cYDcx Yuvg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC0108oLzWaY5CE6jBhiFjJYQlWBlwJGoIBCAwJO8oxCsHy3rhVWqgbXo9dh3QdS6pA== X-Received: by 10.28.154.140 with SMTP id c134mr5980889wme.25.1479595022416; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 14:37:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.20.0.56] ([196.212.62.210]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id jq10sm16319199wjb.46.2016.11.19.14.37.01 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 19 Nov 2016 14:37:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sans-dbus was: gnome intrusion? To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <20161116124726.GA8424@g0n.xdwgrp> <20161117074400.7908.242EA9B5@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> <20161119102149.0c62c7ad@jupiter.sol.kaishome.de> <20161119190405.8295.2CF92EED@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> <20161119204409.11828.251A07F0@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> <20161119211734.12746.24E6124D@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> From: Alan McKinnon Message-ID: <5f51307d-a3f8-a8fe-719f-aa404a8d1866@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 00:36:59 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.3.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20161119211734.12746.24E6124D@matica.foolinux.mooo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 2510328a-adc6-462d-a0b7-baf956e8568a X-Archives-Hash: 21a19585b8fcbf21fda3196969a8dda4 On 19/11/2016 23:23, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2016-11-19 23:07, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> Yes I know init and KDE are very very different beasts from different >> eras with different approaches to getting stuff done and so can appear >> completely different. But within the contact of /this/ thread, they are >> very similar. And you don't understand one of them to anything like the >> same standard you understand the other. > > I agree with this, this is the core of the issue. > > But you see: I don't need the features these new beasts provide. Why > should I have to learn all that huge amount of information, crowding out > things I actually _like_ to know from my declining memory, to keep control > of my computing? > Computing is a never-ending cycle of new stuff to learn. Deal with it. Devs are not going to stop exploring new technologies and methods just because Ian Zimmerman is getting old.