From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Neqy9-0007cE-AQ for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:21:37 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E65A0E1204 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f199.google.com (mail-pz0-f199.google.com [209.85.222.199]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE083E10BC for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:10:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk37 with SMTP id 37so5738219pzk.10 for ; Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:10:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=bDzMWQupFT6gMOIOj5Uacllpih9TWY6K4eCHXV/e0Z8=; b=NBnLyqiaV3+cgIDxJR+1J/JZ37AV4HGwEk3tG0f/Y0ds5mstabKEWfQw8D5HnXhaOc T8kzZ2xzN/wIhKYDQsOXJXOhNDMmZtvIq1Gb6tD2TPKAd+nbgyPtL0lmm0EKL4ruGpcw 8yKlXnLJyNgeBMML/uIthexp0DAh3Ew+mBic0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BFsMVsUnC3Xm91qWHtm/crPFi2iOfnCwNNSbtVfpIBlmR/0EAsxUxdvxvnlf+YG3En 5fVDx1hpOEq05zw9Il7baDCVVOqbUVdGXCgMs+qmrah55i4Ungi+mOXFwFaJHK5cZSnN MWeDwepgsv91uIWjMm74t4PltoaWZ/0KOSG9k= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.27.17 with SMTP id e17mr3173136wfj.221.1265724612165; Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:10:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100209133331.3a00ecbb@zaphod.digimed.co.uk> References: <20100208222047.GA6553@muc.de> <20100209021708.GA7876@waltdnes.org> <20100209102732.188d2125@digimed.co.uk> <20100209133331.3a00ecbb@zaphod.digimed.co.uk> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 06:10:12 -0800 Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b1002090610y91153beu2a240721ce201c81@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files? From: Mark Knecht To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 31f04e85-427b-4b31-8d72-75ddae4ef8f0 X-Archives-Hash: a40ae0da6685bba0c9c830019c6a1987 On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 5:33 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:43:12 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: > >> > That's as much crippling as simplifying. You can do without pam and >> > hal by setting appropriate USE flags (I run pam-free here by >> > doing just that) but D-Bus provides a standard way for applications to >> > communicate with one another and removing it can stop your desktop >> > working as it should. > >> Really? I removed dbus from my system altogether and everything seems >> to be communicating fine. And according to this >> (http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-810848-postdays-0-postorder-asc-st= art-0.html) >> a system should be able to communicate without dbus. > > I've not read the whole thread, but this quote jumped out. > > "DBUS is just the chosen successor to DCOP and CORBA; all platforms have > =C2=A0inter-process messaging (e.g, Distributed Objects in OSX/*STEP)." > > It is a messaging layer and nothing to do with HAL, although HAL may use > it to communicate, for example to let the desktop know that a USB device > has been connected or disconnected. > > While HAL is an ugly mess that should never be exposed to users, D-Bus > just gets on with its job, maybe because it is not exposed to users. > > > -- > Neil Bothwick The forums seems to be down at the moment so I'll try to read the thread later. The only thing I wanted to say what that for me it's been somewhat backward. hald doesn't work for my video cards because my hardware isn't well supported. However I still have it turned on. I cannot suggest why it's on, but it is. I presume it helps with mounting external drives and things but I cannot or have not proved it. On the other hand there's a _long_ history in the pro-audio area of seeing problems with dbus messing up the operation of Jack audio and many of us including me leave dbus turned off. Go figure! - Mark