From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MjBdJ-0001zL-U7 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 12:41:46 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 235D9E073A; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 17:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yx0-f197.google.com (mail-yx0-f197.google.com [209.85.210.197]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05E1FE073A for ; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 17:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe35 with SMTP id 35so3022616yxe.2 for ; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 10:50:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=S8uzajhW3TrXqM7VFyXd6mP6FX94/6cRQCbkEBqn+Jc=; b=X+tIebj7O3PCZNf0XG1tB2aIBSl1FIng0v/21ZqdsRoSGhWuP3HyXcJ4u3kiaxZLyM yEl91ZPcT8uwlb+2kceMayEugIY/SvukIWFd2Qx+yRuhIXh4m/kZ0hVr+NpvWA44tatS 99jSyBz6UEK3a67R41eeNxUagau1G7Y/WLF1k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=gstchmRh8AVVnlgMwYS9X6Ac7s+rL2Gh4cQnujxLA1ibegsTFufqJSEdIcpblrZUU/ u4RPSm5g0LkPLEDfGoJZv5k6Kbk9EHeaXvOIBPRWGoV4SxvFUYiCoVG5lHOBPoeI6jXF jIRbxDMIDtkjFbX3zh+KdqylBiDqRG8TDG5nQ= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.88.25 with SMTP id l25mr16635616ybb.308.1252000218715; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 10:50:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090903170434.2f96328e@zaphod.digimed.co.uk> References: <5bdc1c8b0909030859k4b2416acr1bc036fbda6b5b9@mail.gmail.com> <20090903170434.2f96328e@zaphod.digimed.co.uk> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 10:50:17 -0700 Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0909031050v340ca113w78aced3f692f6510@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo list stats? From: Mark Knecht To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 2e05057a-f0d1-4bc2-b461-267b70e112aa X-Archives-Hash: 3660d44659114c5bb8234473436d5bb7 On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 3 Sep 2009 08:59:57 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Not meaning to cause too much of a hubbub but I was surpris= ed at >> how much email traffic has fallen off for the Gentoo lists over the >> last couple of years. I suspect that some of this is folks moving to >> less technical environments - maybe Ubuntu or Arch - but still I was >> surprised that it was something like a 60% drop since the high in >> 2006. > > It could be a sign of the maturity of Gentoo. If there are less problems > there will be less posts, since there are very few threads starting with > "I did a world update today and everything worked perfectly". Well, mostly I'd say that's true, certainly at the app level it's my experience, but it seems to me that upgrades like Xorg haven't gone so well this year. Maybe that's mostly an aberration driven by upstream quality problems, but if my recollections are correct it wasn't only a problem for me. > >> I was also surprised at the drop off on gentoo-dev as it sort of >> correlates with my impression of bugs not being addressed as fast >> these days. > > Or they are spending more time developing and less time flaming one > another these days? > Now that idea puts a smile on my face but unfortunately isn't consistent with my personal view of bugs getting fixed. Maybe I just got hit a bit harder but my memory of how long it took to get an ebuild fixed in 2006 was considerably faster. Probably I'm mistaken. For me 2009 has been a pretty disappointing year in terms of running Gentoo and the first year in the last 5 or 6 where I spent ANY time seriously looking around at other distros. Nothing struck me as being good enough to warrant putting the time in to learn it. Gentoo is still what I choose to run. I hope the stats are positive in nature but I know of numerous pro-audio overlay users who have left the Gentoo fold this year. (They don't seem any happier to me so I'm not following...) I hope it's not happening too much in the more global community. Thanks for the responses! Cheers, Mark