From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MJGZZ-0006Lw-O4 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:42:45 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2010BE0739; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:42:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.156]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E901CE0739 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:42:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so1295062ywm.46 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:42:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=iiXUxevOs254XhA9YKq2JsBhL3NYOXZSfS2YkHk5yGk=; b=rDKIbkY4QYRupIoCTX817Hh94SDgSOliO1wSxMKPjLJ3Pe7+z6Zpl4kPjaZflLgbq/ cIvI4ONgD0JOK6RyNyX45Qq6aSrZzYxMpea9o6mi6xFsG+FLaA9IXUnU3sOFVmmbbnYv Q+96MUVSwjlqaUJic/zDNMFiVAdsM0gF4yOtw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=NVYGfE25ax5V9pLethpJQxhpmex8/fgUxGHYhirizgI9yDh2LNOQy9IYnTqxw5Taha bPLSIu2yBBXKIMJBRs/uodGOkfL1GmA13NyGWTEfrsOg7Cy58/sNsjeWeqEEluw6/V36 C+mml7C5jBNAwh32nD4mDfGi7JV9BIXtsDlao= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.83.16 with SMTP id k16mr1248279ybl.326.1245804163542; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:42:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5bdc1c8b0906231620i2aa5204u28f6e181183fcc96@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0906231640o792ce292t827bf0935177c0e0@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0906231653p550bc483nfd2cda8bad52b4c3@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0906231706s3c140069rdbb9822e9b29699f@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0906231727v5c500a76x864c6a54f43bdf19@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:42:43 -0700 Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0906231742t3b5b1829u8cb3ed5a284e6222@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx From: Mark Knecht To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: b393370a-3498-4b8a-a5e7-dbf2a35aceb0 X-Archives-Hash: 38c7968e6a21a1845bfea2a534304322 On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 06/24/2009 03:27 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: >> >> Gentoo is for me. Gentoo is the only distro I run and the only one >> I've run for at least 6 years. Gentoo has run on THIS VERY MACHINE for >> over 4 years and it is the ONLY distro that has EVER run on this >> machine. Today I run eix-sync and emerge xorg-x11 and the machine >> breaks and I cannot go back. It is not my choice that Gentoo >> maintainers decided to drop something from portage required to make >> this machine run and not give me a way to get it back. Portage chose >> to erase files on MY machine - files that are required to make the >> machine work. Gentoo package maintainers decided to obsolete my >> machine, not me. > > You should have taken a backup of /usr/portage and created binary package= s > using "quickpgk" before the update. =C2=A0Portage can't contain every anc= ient > version of every package out there. =C2=A0It would grow to infinity. =C2= =A0Old stuff > has to go. =C2=A0That's the very nature of Gentoo's "rolling release" nat= ure (or > on other words, its lack of a "stable" notion.) I have NEVER asked portage to keep a copy of EVERYTHING online. I think it's a sinthat portage decides to remove files from MY machine, files that I'm currently using, files that I require. Sure, easy to blame it on me with Gentoo. quickpkg might have been a solution if I'd known about it, so it's my fault. It's certainly not the fault of the designers of portage who could have checked to ensure that I had a binary package before they removed my files, or could have required an extra override at the command line to simply inform me they were going to take away MY files. No, I'm sure they don't care if they break machines. It's easy to chuckle in private instead of making a system that can go backward one step on this machine. One step, that's all. But yes, it's my fault. > > Anyway, see my other post, maybe you can go on with the update and have i= t > working in the end. > Yes, I read that. Thanks. > >> I'm sure there's some way to get things back working again but I don't >> know what they are. > > The rule is simple. =C2=A0If a fresh installation of Gentoo wouldn't work= , you're > out of luck. =C2=A0Gentoo lacks releases. =C2=A0Either you change hardwar= e or > distribution. > There is no way for me to know that any other distribution will fix this short of trying them. that's just not practical. - Mark