From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LlUCq-0002aT-JM for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:23:40 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 18DD4E0557; Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.244]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE81E0557 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:23:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so1477439rvb.46 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:23:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=bLklSRp1mq1U6900iTt/zKVqb7uV061+Gi9uGrmCek4=; b=kdYHnm5tAzd0xjGxlTGouO2PM05hlsj9pZuWkZ1s4NYyuWajUI4ZluHb1g9bes716s phV81MEzZ38mrZOOYZM05VkPUOGIXHDO0XENxGvAHbIFL+hrLVJxL9Ekyr81S8kpKKt9 80EN7+D7cp4fJhMbyqbmb6eGPYtOd5N2EwnuE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=t5rnL0E902qtXma0cS4eGUdxuO2VKqZJ922onTn/2BmjgHKXByuiTboSZthX1BOgWp 3HLsHbt3/tWcikF++XmUe4boW9dbAHURPOpXcT6mWqwEHR/r1cg+DxtTu6hkI4CrxPvC 5aYzkUw3qXuhIuEJusg+8Syh/QCvmcUBGUqiY= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.142.16 with SMTP id p16mr2501006wfd.321.1237753418489; Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:23:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200903211917.56523.mdiehl@diehlnet.com> References: <200903211917.56523.mdiehl@diehlnet.com> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:23:38 -0700 Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0903221323o47e10137l9c6db04802cce4bd@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Time to move on? From: Mark Knecht To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: a7c7417b-1704-4eaa-8f6f-39fab521aa9e X-Archives-Hash: ba8cde1a2db73408b6e93841cc136cb2 On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Mike Diehl wrote: > Ok now, I'm getting fed up with all of the breakage that I've seen in Gentoo > in the last few months. > Understood and personally felt. > > emerge -C mktemp > Generally a *very* bad move unless you are *absolutely* sure that what you are removing is not needed to keep the system working. > > Has Gentoo become such a moving target that it's no longer suitable for > normal, every day, usage? OK, I'm a putz who has used Gentoo now for (I think) 8-9 years. I'm not a developer, a programmer or a sys admin. Keep that in mind. Gentoo goes through phases of relative stability interrupted by periods of time where major problems dominate. (As seen by users, not the Lords of Gentoo (LoG)) Personally I think we're in one of those unfortunate periods of time where there is a relatively high number of issues. I'm seeing it on all my machines. It's taking far more of my time to deal with this than I wish it would. 1) ntp-update problems at boot time. 2) emerge -DuN world building lots of packages that are already on the system but the LoG has apparently changed flags so emerge wants to rebuild them. 3) New and unclear (to me) messages about portage flag overrides caused by overlays I've been using for a while. Am I frustrated like you? Yep. Very much so. Am I considering using something else? Quite a few thoughts. Do I think there's a better distro? Not that I know of. My workload: 1) Gentoo 64-bit desktop 2) Gentoo 32-bit desktop 3) Gentoo 32-bit mythbackend 4) Gentoo 32-bit mythfrontend 5) Gentoo 32-bit mythfrontend Cheers, Mark