From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JEu2B-0002aT-J2 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:13:27 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 141A1E059E; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:13:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.231]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF36E0587 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:12:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c49so7607wra.1 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:12:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Q4zERDl2eN/okM4Hac+wPMX94MnHmAHXJEXZ9a+SzWY=; b=DvU+Nby3Mh6ZBgxkbb/KTJNtf/bDaQ9k/RnflsTL7yE6XypFVT6AIABH0+vgkFXgr6VQBtif+m0CPrBwRl4+SEjjUeGjG1qWHwFt3dMuYRnsnQzvbstBm2tPIJaoFf+BtOA1H0hGvwuDxGlqNahd3Vki2SN1UAtT63rMiTI6bAM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=I5Bo+qBuS9QotUpiOfEG3aaw/aIAcS7xHB1KaJagSaN5yv3noju479fQobD/Jh7K9X4/5i0vnBjIHoiKmSN/TYAEX4orqZBCLKYDFXtAvRuZyVYnoPDXdUG88NF3J2DFHIGXEvgwyPM7P8kE29ru0yV7rFplilIIJ7wqLb27PDE= Received: by 10.142.49.4 with SMTP id w4mr3526887wfw.185.1200435178261; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:12:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.203.14 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:12:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0801151412g31257d0ftc735aa6d294de7e0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:12:58 -0800 From: "Mark Knecht" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead? In-Reply-To: <200801152248.54895.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080111082729.GA12107@localhost> <200801120113.30788.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <478D0791.4040502@gmail.com> <200801152248.54895.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 91149856-3b90-4933-8e02-4685b6204365 X-Archives-Hash: c3d8d255934a9bc16f89da2a16cb473c On Jan 15, 2008 12:48 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Tuesday 15 January 2008, Eric Martin wrote: > > > Anybody that feels they *need* or *must have* an official Gentoo > > > installer is probably the wrong target market and should be > > > referred to other distros that will suit their needs better. This > > > is not a troll or an elitist statement, it's just recognizing what > > > gentoo is and what it isn't - it's not a distro suitable for > > > someone to whom chroot isn't yet second nature. > > > > > > > I don't think it's an elitist statement, I agree in thinking that we > > shouldn't cater to the lcd. There are plenty of distros out there > > that work just fine and the greatest thing about FOSS is choice. If > > all of the options are the same there's no point. Again though, I > > have to disagree with the point that it's not for somebody whom > > chroot isn't yet second nature: I learned chroot through the install. > > I've tried playing around with Fedora / Ubunttu but I keep going > > back to Gentoo; it's my favorite distro. > > I know my statement about chroot looks like it should be taken > literally, but it wasn't meant that way. Read it more as illustrative, > that the potential user should be reasonably familiar with the more > unusual commands in *nix systems - chroot, grep, the idea of pipes and > redirection and many many more. After all if they are going to be using > these tools, they should know something about them. > Or the user could be like me - no experience with any of these commands but a moderate interest in learning. I hope this users list will continue to be supportive of folks like me. I was pointed to Gentoo 7 years ago by a very experienced Linux sys admin at a start up I was working at in Silicon Valley. Primarily through the help of this list I managed to get my first machine working in a few days and today have probably built 20 Gentoo machines. My longest lived, used my my dad who will be 80 this year, has now been running over 5 years. I couldn't have done it without the folks on this list. Grant you, I get that I'm not the target market, but I am someone who has benefited greatly from Gentoo and the generosity of the folks on this list. I hope it will continue for others that follow over the years to come. Thanks, Mark -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list