[gentoo-user] What's with this hald thing and why can't I rip CDs any more?

[gentoo-user] What's with this hald thing and why can't I rip CDs any more?

[Mark Knecht]

I went to rip a few CDs today. It used to work. It's always worked .
It's worked for years it worked.

Today it doesn't work....

First problem is apps don't see the CDs. Running sound-juicer in a
terminal mentioned hald might not be running. I look in rc-update and
find hald. I start it. sound-juicer works, sort of. It starts ripping,
eventually says it finished, but when I look at the directory when the
flac files are supposed to be I get maybe 2 out of 10. The rest are
all 0 bytes. No error messages at all.

How could I rip flac files by hand and get more info?

What is hald and when did it show up as necessary. I watched movies
using xine the other day and didn't need it. Is this a
Gnome/sound-juicer thing or something more global?

What's wrong with ripping?

Thanks,
Mark
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Re: [gentoo-user] What's with this hald thing and why can't I rip CDs any more?

[Naiani Rosa de Barros]

Hi!

Hald is, if I'm not wrong, the daemon for HAL, Hardware Abstraction
Layer, it's an interface used to ease communication between software
and hardware of your computer. It keeps info from your hardware so
it's easier to access/modify them at any time, including new devices
that you might connect.

http://wlug.org.nz/HAL

=)

Naiani

On Jan 8, 2008 9:37 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> I went to rip a few CDs today. It used to work. It's always worked .
> It's worked for years it worked.
>
> Today it doesn't work....
>
> First problem is apps don't see the CDs. Running sound-juicer in a
> terminal mentioned hald might not be running. I look in rc-update and
> find hald. I start it. sound-juicer works, sort of. It starts ripping,
> eventually says it finished, but when I look at the directory when the
> flac files are supposed to be I get maybe 2 out of 10. The rest are
> all 0 bytes. No error messages at all.
>
> How could I rip flac files by hand and get more info?
>
> What is hald and when did it show up as necessary. I watched movies
> using xine the other day and didn't need it. Is this a
> Gnome/sound-juicer thing or something more global?
>
> What's wrong with ripping?
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
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>
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] What's with this hald thing and why can't I rip CDs any more?

[Naiani Rosa de Barros]

Forgot to mention: about the problem with ripping CDs, and if it sort
of works when you start hald, I'd say you should try re-emerging it.
Maybe something got corrupted somehow, or is just outdated.

Good luck!

On Jan 9, 2008 12:54 AM, Naiani Rosa de Barros
<naiani.princess@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Hald is, if I'm not wrong, the daemon for HAL, Hardware Abstraction
> Layer, it's an interface used to ease communication between software
> and hardware of your computer. It keeps info from your hardware so
> it's easier to access/modify them at any time, including new devices
> that you might connect.
>
> http://wlug.org.nz/HAL
>
> =)
>
> Naiani
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2008 9:37 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I went to rip a few CDs today. It used to work. It's always worked .
> > It's worked for years it worked.
> >
> > Today it doesn't work....
> >
> > First problem is apps don't see the CDs. Running sound-juicer in a
> > terminal mentioned hald might not be running. I look in rc-update and
> > find hald. I start it. sound-juicer works, sort of. It starts ripping,
> > eventually says it finished, but when I look at the directory when the
> > flac files are supposed to be I get maybe 2 out of 10. The rest are
> > all 0 bytes. No error messages at all.
> >
> > How could I rip flac files by hand and get more info?
> >
> > What is hald and when did it show up as necessary. I watched movies
> > using xine the other day and didn't need it. Is this a
> > Gnome/sound-juicer thing or something more global?
> >
> > What's wrong with ripping?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mark
> > --
> > gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
> >
> >
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] What's with this hald thing and why can't I rip CDs any more?

[Dale]

Naiani Rosa de Barros wrote:
> Forgot to mention: about the problem with ripping CDs, and if it sort
> of works when you start hald, I'd say you should try re-emerging it.
> Maybe something got corrupted somehow, or is just outdated.
>
> Good luck!
>
>   

And if you are like me and don't reboot much, maybe restart hald and see
if it starts without error.

You may also want to check ivman and dbus, if you have them installed,
to see if something fishy is going on there as well.

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] What's with this hald thing and why can't I rip CDs any more?

[Mark Knecht]

On Jan 8, 2008 8:24 PM, Dale <dalek1967@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Naiani Rosa de Barros wrote:
> > Forgot to mention: about the problem with ripping CDs, and if it sort
> > of works when you start hald, I'd say you should try re-emerging it.
> > Maybe something got corrupted somehow, or is just outdated.
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> >
>
> And if you are like me and don't reboot much, maybe restart hald and see
> if it starts without error.
>
> You may also want to check ivman and dbus, if you have them installed,
> to see if something fishy is going on there as well.
>
> Dale
>

Hi Dale,
  Things here are still basically a disaster. I rebooted. No change.
sound-juicer still only rips the 1st six tracks and then skips the
last seven. Pretty much the same on every CD I've tried so far. No
messages in dmesg.

   To some extent even more worrisome is that after rebooting and
logging in to Gnome I am now getting icons on my desktop for
partitions on my hard drive that aren't supposed to be mounted
according to fstab.

   I don't see any dnus messages in dmesg. Maybe there's somewhere
else that those go?

   I don't have ivman installed. Should I? I didn't have a clue that
Gentoo was going to apparently push some new hardware interface on us.
So far this seems like quite a mess since my system is now broken.

- Mark
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Re: [gentoo-user] What's with this hald thing and why can't I rip CDs any more?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:41:16 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:

>   Things here are still basically a disaster. I rebooted. No change.
> sound-juicer still only rips the 1st six tracks and then skips the
> last seven. Pretty much the same on every CD I've tried so far. No
> messages in dmesg.

Have you tried a different ripper? This could be a problem with
sound-juicer, not hal/dbus.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

"Bother," said Pooh, as the pin fell out of the grenade.

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Re: [gentoo-user] What's with this hald thing and why can't I rip CDs any more?

[Dale]

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Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:41:16 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>   
>>   Things here are still basically a disaster. I rebooted. No change.
>> sound-juicer still only rips the 1st six tracks and then skips the
>> last seven. Pretty much the same on every CD I've tried so far. No
>> messages in dmesg.
>>     
>
> Have you tried a different ripper? This could be a problem with
> sound-juicer, not hal/dbus.
>
>
>   

I'm not to familiar with sound-juicer myself, I use K3b to do my CD
stuff.  Like Neil said, you may want to try a different program or maybe
a different version.

Ivman is not required but I did have a problem with it once and had to
recompile it so it would play well with others. 

You may want to post the relevant parts of messages and/or dmesg and see
if Neil notices something out of whack.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] What's with this hald thing and why can't I rip CDs any more?

[Mark Knecht]

On Jan 9, 2008 10:49 AM, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:41:16 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
>
> >   Things here are still basically a disaster. I rebooted. No change.
> > sound-juicer still only rips the 1st six tracks and then skips the
> > last seven. Pretty much the same on every CD I've tried so far. No
> > messages in dmesg.
>
> Have you tried a different ripper? This could be a problem with
> sound-juicer, not hal/dbus.
>

I emerged grip but it's not seeing the CD at all. I tried Aqualung but
it didn't work either.

Seeing Dale's note I tried K3b, which I should have thought of before.
It worked for the CD that was already in the drive so that was a step
forward. When I inserted a new CD it got blocked by Gnome starting
Totem automatically. When I closed Totem my hand then K3b was able to
rip the second CD. I haven't listened to anything yet but at least the
files look about right.

So, with all of that I am guessing that Totem was somehow blocking
sound-juicer. Totem starting automatically when I insert a CD has
never happened before. Is that because I turned on hald? If so do I
really need hald or can I turn it off? Or maybe I need ivman to help
hald do it's work better?

Of course if there is some Gentoo page on how to run all this stuff
correctly that it where I should really start.

thanks,
Mark
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Re: [gentoo-user] What's with this hald thing and why can't I rip CDs any more?

[Naiani Rosa de Barros]

On Jan 9, 2008 5:03 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 9, 2008 10:49 AM, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:41:16 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
> >
> > >   Things here are still basically a disaster. I rebooted. No change.
> > > sound-juicer still only rips the 1st six tracks and then skips the
> > > last seven. Pretty much the same on every CD I've tried so far. No
> > > messages in dmesg.
> >
> > Have you tried a different ripper? This could be a problem with
> > sound-juicer, not hal/dbus.
> >
>
> I emerged grip but it's not seeing the CD at all. I tried Aqualung but
> it didn't work either.
>
> Seeing Dale's note I tried K3b, which I should have thought of before.
> It worked for the CD that was already in the drive so that was a step
> forward. When I inserted a new CD it got blocked by Gnome starting
> Totem automatically. When I closed Totem my hand then K3b was able to
> rip the second CD. I haven't listened to anything yet but at least the
> files look about right.
>
> So, with all of that I am guessing that Totem was somehow blocking
> sound-juicer. Totem starting automatically when I insert a CD has
> never happened before. Is that because I turned on hald? If so do I
> really need hald or can I turn it off? Or maybe I need ivman to help
> hald do it's work better?

Probably. HAL + ivman does that. Configure automounting/recognizing devices.

> Of course if there is some Gentoo page on how to run all this stuff
> correctly that it where I should really start.

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ivman

> thanks,
>
> Mark
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>
>

No problem. =)

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Re: [gentoo-user] What's with this hald thing and why can't I rip CDs any more?

[Naiani Rosa de Barros]

On Jan 9, 2008 7:08 PM, Naiani Rosa de Barros <naiani.princess@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 9, 2008 5:03 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 9, 2008 10:49 AM, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
> > > On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:41:16 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
> > >
> > > >   Things here are still basically a disaster. I rebooted. No change.
> > > > sound-juicer still only rips the 1st six tracks and then skips the
> > > > last seven. Pretty much the same on every CD I've tried so far. No
> > > > messages in dmesg.
> > >
> > > Have you tried a different ripper? This could be a problem with
> > > sound-juicer, not hal/dbus.
> > >
> >
> > I emerged grip but it's not seeing the CD at all. I tried Aqualung but
> > it didn't work either.
> >
> > Seeing Dale's note I tried K3b, which I should have thought of before.
> > It worked for the CD that was already in the drive so that was a step
> > forward. When I inserted a new CD it got blocked by Gnome starting
> > Totem automatically. When I closed Totem my hand then K3b was able to
> > rip the second CD. I haven't listened to anything yet but at least the
> > files look about right.
> >
> > So, with all of that I am guessing that Totem was somehow blocking
> > sound-juicer. Totem starting automatically when I insert a CD has
> > never happened before. Is that because I turned on hald? If so do I
> > really need hald or can I turn it off? Or maybe I need ivman to help
> > hald do it's work better?
>
> Probably. HAL + ivman does that. Configure automounting/recognizing devices.

Now that I'm thinking, actually, I don't think HAL by itself would do
that. Maybe you already have all the stuff set up. But check out the
Gentoo Wiki page I said before.

> > Of course if there is some Gentoo page on how to run all this stuff
> > correctly that it where I should really start.
>
> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ivman
>
> > thanks,
> >
> > Mark
> > --
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> >
> >
>
> No problem. =)
>
> Naiani
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] What's with this hald thing and why can't I rip CDs any more?

[Dale]

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Naiani Rosa de Barros wrote:
> On Jan 9, 2008 7:08 PM, Naiani Rosa de Barros <naiani.princess@gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> On Jan 9, 2008 5:03 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> On Jan 9, 2008 10:49 AM, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
>>>       
>>>> On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:41:16 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>>   Things here are still basically a disaster. I rebooted. No change.
>>>>> sound-juicer still only rips the 1st six tracks and then skips the
>>>>> last seven. Pretty much the same on every CD I've tried so far. No
>>>>> messages in dmesg.
>>>>>           
>>>> Have you tried a different ripper? This could be a problem with
>>>> sound-juicer, not hal/dbus.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> I emerged grip but it's not seeing the CD at all. I tried Aqualung but
>>> it didn't work either.
>>>
>>> Seeing Dale's note I tried K3b, which I should have thought of before.
>>> It worked for the CD that was already in the drive so that was a step
>>> forward. When I inserted a new CD it got blocked by Gnome starting
>>> Totem automatically. When I closed Totem my hand then K3b was able to
>>> rip the second CD. I haven't listened to anything yet but at least the
>>> files look about right.
>>>
>>> So, with all of that I am guessing that Totem was somehow blocking
>>> sound-juicer. Totem starting automatically when I insert a CD has
>>> never happened before. Is that because I turned on hald? If so do I
>>> really need hald or can I turn it off? Or maybe I need ivman to help
>>> hald do it's work better?
>>>       
>> Probably. HAL + ivman does that. Configure automounting/recognizing devices.
>>     
>
> Now that I'm thinking, actually, I don't think HAL by itself would do
> that. Maybe you already have all the stuff set up. But check out the
> Gentoo Wiki page I said before.
>
>   
>>> Of course if there is some Gentoo page on how to run all this stuff
>>> correctly that it where I should really start.
>>>       
>> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ivman
>>
>>     
>>> thanks,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>> --
>>> gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> No problem. =)
>>
>> Naiani
>>
>>     

Well, I picked up on something.  Hal or ivman, both installed here,
locks access to my camera when I first turn it on.  Gtkam can not access
the camera until it releases a lock on it.  You know when in KDE and you
hook up something, it pops up the little thing asking what to do with
it.  I hit cancel on that and wait a minute or two and then gtkam can
access the camera as it should.

So, it may be that SOMETHING, who knows what, is locking the drive and
not releasing it like it should.  Keep in mind that I have KDE and not
gnome here.  You may want to check how Gnome handles this sort of
thing.  It may be some setting somewhere that is messing you up and be
gnome specific.

If you want to stop services, /etc/init.d/hald stop should work.  If you
want to see what all is running then rc-status should help with that.  I
have dbus, hald and ivman running on mine here.

I hope that helps some cause I'm running out of ideas here.

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] What's with this hald thing and why can't I rip CDs any more?

[Mark Knecht]

On Jan 9, 2008 5:16 PM, Dale <dalek1967@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>  Naiani Rosa de Barros wrote:
>
>  On Jan 9, 2008 7:08 PM, Naiani Rosa de Barros <naiani.princess@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>  On Jan 9, 2008 5:03 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>  On Jan 9, 2008 10:49 AM, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>  On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:41:16 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>
>
>  Things here are still basically a disaster. I rebooted. No change.
> sound-juicer still only rips the 1st six tracks and then skips the
> last seven. Pretty much the same on every CD I've tried so far. No
> messages in dmesg.
>
>  Have you tried a different ripper? This could be a problem with
> sound-juicer, not hal/dbus.
>
>
>  I emerged grip but it's not seeing the CD at all. I tried Aqualung but
> it didn't work either.
>
> Seeing Dale's note I tried K3b, which I should have thought of before.
> It worked for the CD that was already in the drive so that was a step
> forward. When I inserted a new CD it got blocked by Gnome starting
> Totem automatically. When I closed Totem my hand then K3b was able to
> rip the second CD. I haven't listened to anything yet but at least the
> files look about right.
>
> So, with all of that I am guessing that Totem was somehow blocking
> sound-juicer. Totem starting automatically when I insert a CD has
> never happened before. Is that because I turned on hald? If so do I
> really need hald or can I turn it off? Or maybe I need ivman to help
> hald do it's work better?
>
>  Probably. HAL + ivman does that. Configure automounting/recognizing
> devices.
>
>  Now that I'm thinking, actually, I don't think HAL by itself would do
> that. Maybe you already have all the stuff set up. But check out the
> Gentoo Wiki page I said before.
>
>
>
>
>
>  Of course if there is some Gentoo page on how to run all this stuff
> correctly that it where I should really start.
>
>  http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ivman
>
>
>
>  thanks,
>
> Mark
> --
> gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
>
>
>
>  No problem. =)
>
> Naiani
>
>
>
>  Well, I picked up on something.  Hal or ivman, both installed here, locks
> access to my camera when I first turn it on.  Gtkam can not access the
> camera until it releases a lock on it.  You know when in KDE and you hook up
> something, it pops up the little thing asking what to do with it.  I hit
> cancel on that and wait a minute or two and then gtkam can access the camera
> as it should.
>
>  So, it may be that SOMETHING, who knows what, is locking the drive and not
> releasing it like it should.  Keep in mind that I have KDE and not gnome
> here.  You may want to check how Gnome handles this sort of thing.  It may
> be some setting somewhere that is messing you up and be gnome specific.
>
>  If you want to stop services, /etc/init.d/hald stop should work.  If you
> want to see what all is running then rc-status should help with that.  I
> have dbus, hald and ivman running on mine here.
>
>  I hope that helps some cause I'm running out of ideas here.
>
>  Dale
>
Hi Dale,
   I disabled hald in rc-update and rebooted. Now Totem and Gnome are
not auto-mounting anything. K3b can see the CD. cddb and ripping seem
to work fine with hald disabled.

   I think the overall set of problems were:

1) sound-juicer has developed some sort of regression

2) hald & Gnome were conspiring to make my system too automatic for my tastes

   At this point I'm in good shape and wondering what the future is
going to bring me. Am I putting off the inevitable by not letting hald
have it's evil ways with my computer? Will it be required in the
future? I thought a lot of that sort of automatic device stuff was
supposed to be done by udev so why I need more is beyond me.

   Anyway, the computer is functional and I can rip with at least one
app so I'm back in business.

Thanks,
Mark
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Re: [gentoo-user] What's with this hald thing and why can't I rip CDs any more?

[Dale]

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Mark Knecht wrote:
>
> Hi Dale,
>    I disabled hald in rc-update and rebooted. Now Totem and Gnome are
> not auto-mounting anything. K3b can see the CD. cddb and ripping seem
> to work fine with hald disabled.
>
>    I think the overall set of problems were:
>
> 1) sound-juicer has developed some sort of regression
>
> 2) hald & Gnome were conspiring to make my system too automatic for my tastes
>
>    At this point I'm in good shape and wondering what the future is
> going to bring me. Am I putting off the inevitable by not letting hald
> have it's evil ways with my computer? Will it be required in the
> future? I thought a lot of that sort of automatic device stuff was
> supposed to be done by udev so why I need more is beyond me.
>
>    Anyway, the computer is functional and I can rip with at least one
> app so I'm back in business.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>   
LOL  You must be new to Linux.  You didn't need to reboot.  If you want
to stop say, hald, just do a /etc/init.d/hald stop.  That would stop the
service, 99% of the time anyway.  If you don't want it to start up
anymore then you can remove it with rc-update to make it survive a
reboot in its stopped state.

This is my thoughts and if anyone has a better one please post away.  I
think there is a disagreement between hald and the programs you are
trying to use.  One or more may need to be recompiled to make them all
happy again.  I ran into a problem like this recently with cups.  Try
running the following and post what it says:  "emerge -pv sound-juicer
hal totem k3b"   Leave off the quotes there.  Also note, that is not
going to actually do anything but list the packages it would install and
the USE flags they are compiled with.  It's not going to reinstall them
or anything.  Shouldn't take to long depending on your rigs speed.

Maybe with that we can see if it is doing something different or missing
something that is causing this.

Dale

:-)  :-)

P.S.  I sent this before but it came back as a boo boo message.  Sorry
if it is a dup.

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Re: [gentoo-user] What's with this hald thing and why can't I rip CDs any more?

[Dale]

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Mark Knecht wrote:
>
> Hi Dale,
>    I disabled hald in rc-update and rebooted. Now Totem and Gnome are
> not auto-mounting anything. K3b can see the CD. cddb and ripping seem
> to work fine with hald disabled.
>
>    I think the overall set of problems were:
>
> 1) sound-juicer has developed some sort of regression
>
> 2) hald & Gnome were conspiring to make my system too automatic for my tastes
>
>    At this point I'm in good shape and wondering what the future is
> going to bring me. Am I putting off the inevitable by not letting hald
> have it's evil ways with my computer? Will it be required in the
> future? I thought a lot of that sort of automatic device stuff was
> supposed to be done by udev so why I need more is beyond me.
>
>    Anyway, the computer is functional and I can rip with at least one
> app so I'm back in business.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>   
LOL  You must be new to Linux.  You didn't need to reboot.  If you want
to stop say, hald, just do a /etc/init.d/hald stop.  That would stop the
service, 99% of the time anyway.  If you don't want it to start up
anymore then you can remove it with rc-update to make it survive a
reboot in its stopped state.

This is my thoughts and if anyone has a better one please post away.  I
think there is a disagreement between hald and the programs you are
trying to use.  One or more may need to be recompiled to make them all
happy again.  I ran into a problem like this recently with cups.  Try
running the following and post what it says:  "emerge -pv sound-juicer
hal totem k3b"   Leave off the quotes there.  Also note, that is not
going to actually do anything but list the packages it would install and
the USE flags they are compiled with.  It's not going to reinstall them
or anything.  Shouldn't take to long depending on your rigs speed.

Maybe with that we can see if it is doing something different or missing
something that is causing this.

Dale

:-)  :-)

P.S.  I sent this before but it came back as a boo boo message.  Sorry
if it is a dup.  May be off list too.

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Re: [gentoo-user] What's with this hald thing and why can't I rip CDs any more?

[Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman]

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Dale wrote:
| [...] Keep in mind that I have KDE and not gnome here.

Well, something that NEVER happened to me during my Gentoo years on my desktop computer (I like
changing distros from time to time, just for the fun of it) was HAL disturbing me. (I use kde, btw).

BUT I'm using Kubuntu now, and I can't burn a DVD while with k3b if I don't stop hal and dbus before
even executing k3b!

Weird, uh.

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Re: [gentoo-user] What's with this hald thing and why can't I rip CDs any more?

[Joerg Schilling]

"Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman" <buanzo@buanzo.com.ar> wrote:

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> | [...] Keep in mind that I have KDE and not gnome here.
>
> Well, something that NEVER happened to me during my Gentoo years on my desktop computer (I like
> changing distros from time to time, just for the fun of it) was HAL disturbing me. (I use kde, btw).
>
> BUT I'm using Kubuntu now, and I can't burn a DVD while with k3b if I don't stop hal and dbus before
> even executing k3b!

I don't know _what_ problems you have....

There are several possibilities:

-	You are using a bad medium that does not follow the Red-Book standard
	and for this reason confused your drive.

-	The fork "cdrkit" is known for not working at all in many cases because 
	of a bad hack in libscg.

-	HAL works on Solaris, but it does not work on Linux.
	It does not work on Linux because it polls the drive the wrong way and
	acts in an unfriendly way.

If your problems are caused by the cdrkit bugs, upgrade to a recent original:

ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha/

Note that you need to disable HAL anyway if you write CDs/DVDs in DAO mode,
because in this case HAL tries to mount the medium while it is still written
and thus causes a buffer underrun.

Jörg

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Re: [gentoo-user] What's with this hald thing and why can't I rip CDs any more?

[Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman]

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Joerg Schilling wrote:
| -	The fork "cdrkit" is known for not working at all in many cases because
| 	of a bad hack in libscg.

Yes, I have to check that.

| -	HAL works on Solaris, but it does not work on Linux.
| 	It does not work on Linux because it polls the drive the wrong way and
| 	acts in an unfriendly way.

That's what I believe is happening, but I have to check cdrkit now that you provided that hint.

| Note that you need to disable HAL anyway if you write CDs/DVDs in DAO mode,

I don't use DAO, but I'll verify just in case. Thanks for the hints, most generous of you :)


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[gentoo-user] Re: What's with this hald thing and why can't I rip CDs any more?

[Thufir]

On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 00:56:26 -0300, Naiani Rosa de Barros wrote:

> Maybe something got corrupted somehow, or is just outdated.

I've never run across corruption, or AFAIK.  What sort of "thing" do you 
have in mind?



curious,

Thufir

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