From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1I6RyB-0007mV-8a for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:06:07 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l65E4heB020171; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:04:43 GMT Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.232]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l65DxADW011896 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:59:10 GMT Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s18so1857298nze for ; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 06:59:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ekUaW14C3A+dtvUCndBZOFFjj3zSiP8WPea56YUhmdoaEn+BbS68a4Z/QwneArc4p1Id4fuC7DVh7KxaaJ7wME7lot1UmJSwxDfNBusF7vF7B9yJWc/SpuTc7IMgqHkfjMwl2CVDHLDKdbjxy7MHwrBjIUKULWzxTm9NU1AfQ5A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TiRrS08yUq8u8nDZWxauFN9X/eDTs3+qR84fXBzRaRzbegozSMIdj6PUd5HWyi/aD7ikRvr8W60opv3CsiCbRRQ5qNDZrQRGuuQeb5mc88+6xXEdnmsVodZTLMRFFqzTvMbpZnW06Eihv8G8YKyBkmgLuC7Fx7zUdodizN2WN6c= Received: by 10.114.112.1 with SMTP id k1mr8223781wac.1183643949388; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 06:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.78.10 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 06:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0707050659je594153pd424447cc6a9bd6b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 06:59:09 -0700 From: "Mark Knecht" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo Healthy? (The Return) In-Reply-To: <20070705071049.GB5315@telos.xk7.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <49bf44f10707030907jaa9f524maef27beb2a7c9df@mail.gmail.com> <59f9c5160707040133m46b6b592obcde11d2c1e0083d@mail.gmail.com> <20070705014010.GA26335@waltdnes.org> <20070705071049.GB5315@telos.xk7.net> X-Archives-Salt: 5ff2783e-83ea-47e9-99cf-3138b7dd7ae9 X-Archives-Hash: 36f1a523003a94387167eafc490447a6 On 7/5/07, Paul Waring wrote: > On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 09:40:10PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > emerge is along the same lines. "make menuconfig" is the limits of my > > expertise. I remember "RPM hell" with Redhat linux, trying to find an > > RPM package for a program I wanted, where the developer hadn't linked it > > against a bunch of stuff I didn't have. I can take a text-only basic > > system, "emerge gimp", and emerge will pull in and build, in the right > > order, all the necessary X libraries, GTK, etc, etc. I end up with a > > functional TWM "desktop". "emerge bbkeys" emerges blackbox > > key-controls... after first emerging blackbox. Try doing that with > > RPMs. > > What makes you think that you can't do that with RPMs now? Seven years > ago they were a nightmare but things have moved on since then. The same > goes for deb files (can't think of any other major ones off the top of > my head). > > Paul Well, in the world of audio RPMs anyway the problem always was that different audio apps used different versions of libraries. Last time I used Fedora (maybe 3-4 years ago now) none of the RPM managers would automatically go find all the right libraries for some odd audio app I wanted to try out, and then even if they did if I decided to take the app off my system there wasn't a good way to clean up after the fact. Beyond that I never had a major Fedora upgrade go cleanly. My Gentoo machines are now multi-years old and they just update each week or two as new revisions come out. I'm sure things are much better today but I still hear folks complain about this sort of this on the pro-audio lists once in awhile. I couldn't have written a better description of my use of Gentoo than Walter did. I'm pretty much exactly the same sort of user. Gentoo works great for me. Cheers, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list