From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HMpU5-0006KQ-AU for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 17:54:29 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l21HrGXA008353; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 17:53:16 GMT Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.235]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l21Hgtho025242 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 17:42:56 GMT Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 69so38603wri for ; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 09:42:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hbU4guwRSDqfeM6TFl10qiaOKuInc8JxGiGiE8AZquH1FH16SrDXcfl7WhlowV/IyzMrKCkkYJ9kWmXynkP9vSh6R2FC1PmB81FmFazkUrL4/5Rw6gWs3zd2hrZ1k0V1s1KBDXujGNCAgURZyPWDDfsCpQ31n1Bg/+XPNUYeeE0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KRF1tWbTvHi6s+8iKb8YFmYpODicE2GlxfhFC7n9nMjf0bestFmEvKcPCpCNz83J/0ecm9JGpselxEO2ELgu51PURY7MS2kcB8bJIekdCyPM9u4h39QHq0NOt8XhdMqrXM7ZS5h9CAzz3WMFKfBl8U+opivu5xgVNu29mSHhq3o= Received: by 10.114.168.1 with SMTP id q1mr27434wae.1172770932943; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 09:42:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.77.11 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:42:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0703010942i7489ae91wdda5030737366e30@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:42:12 -0800 From: "Mark Knecht" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution? In-Reply-To: <1172712574.22009.47.camel@orpheus> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200702281258.24052.bo.andresen@zlin.dk> <5bdc1c8b0702281049r7c5d07bcya6c5c7720df0cb72@mail.gmail.com> <200702282309.00540.benno.schulenberg@gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0702281423p54d4f7c8q82f52d6bedac13c9@mail.gmail.com> <1172712574.22009.47.camel@orpheus> X-Archives-Salt: d6aab8d1-4047-4ccd-b75f-c65a126f9f09 X-Archives-Hash: 509054ce0f1f944a670d6e02daa67bf2 On 2/28/07, Iain Buchanan wrote: > On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 14:23 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > As I said in a response a few minutes ago the emerge -e world, > > although not completely done, appears to have fixed it. Evolution is > > now running fine. > > > > I will wait for the emerge -e world to finish up tonight and ensure > > it's still working. > > > > We may never know exactly what caused the problem I suspect. > > if you want to know what broke it, then you should take the time to > compile in some debugging symbols (just in evolution and associated > libs, not the entire world!) This would have been quicker than > rebuilding absolutely everything! > > You obviously have time, as you just did an emerge -e world ;) > Unfortunately I don't think you'll be better off blindly fixing it - > what if it happens again? What if a similar thing happens to a > different package? Just switching mail-clients wont help - any package > is potentially open to crashing. Take the time now to find out why, and > save yourself time in the future, IMHO :) > > but glad it's working again. > > cya, > -- > Iain Buchanan > Iain, In principle I agree with you but specifics dictated the outcome this time. 1) I really didn't understand how to get the debugging stuff in there and actually working. Learning would have taken time. 2) My dad, an almost 79 year old Gentoo user, was traveling and returning home today. I Wanted him to have email. 3) Yes, emerge -e world takes time but requires very little attention so I am free to try to earn a living. I had only one digest mismatch in the rebuild. Other than that one stoppage the process went uninterrupted while I got other things done. I'm thinking that what I do need to do is learn to get debugging info but I can experiment with that on my machine instead of his. I worry that something basic will go wrong and because the machine is 300 miles away it would have to get shipped to me. If I work with my own machines first I'll have a better idea what's safe and what works. Now what I need to do is spend a little time learning more about debugging symbols and the tools required to make sense of them. Keep in mind that I am a user, not an IT guy, not a developer, not even a CS major. I only need to know enough to provide information to helpful folks who need it. I'll go work on that over the next few weeks maybe. Cheers and thanks! - Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list