[gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?

[gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?

[Mark Knecht]

Hi all,
   I've got a machine that will no longer run Evolution. For whatever
reason all versions of Evolution in Portage crash. I cannot as of yet
get a backtrace to determine why. Even if I could a fast solution
would depend on other folks seeing what's wrong and telling me how to
fix it by recompiling some library or something. I cannot be sure if
or even when that might happen so my user needs to move on. He's been
without access to his email for about 10 days and is fed up waiting
for me to fix it.

   The question is how to move forward. Is there any other Linux email
client that can pick up where Evolution has failed him? I know nothing
about how Evolution stores mail, contact lists, etc. so I don't know
what he might be able to use. What is the KDE mail client? Can
Thunderbird look at Evolution files?

   I spent some time going through the online Portage database but
nothing seemed obvious so I hoped to hear about an app to try out
here.

   In parallel I can try something like emerge -e world. Maybe I'll
get lucky? ;-)

   Thanks in advance for any info you can provide.

Cheers,
Mark
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Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?

[James Ausmus]

On 2/27/07, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>    I've got a machine that will no longer run Evolution. For whatever
> reason all versions of Evolution in Portage crash. I cannot as of yet
> get a backtrace to determine why. Even if I could a fast solution
> would depend on other folks seeing what's wrong and telling me how to
> fix it by recompiling some library or something.
<snip>

Have you tried running a revdep-rebuild -p -v to see if there's
anything broken? Do you know what triggered the crashing behavious -
did an update get run, did something new get emerged, did some ebuild
get unmerged?

HTH-

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RE: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?

[Nelson, David (ED, PAR&D)]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Ausmus [mailto:james.ausmus@gmail.com]
> Sent: 28 February 2007 08:45
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?
> 
> 
> On 2/27/07, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >    I've got a machine that will no longer run Evolution. 
> For whatever
> > reason all versions of Evolution in Portage crash. I cannot 
> as of yet
> > get a backtrace to determine why. Even if I could a fast solution
> > would depend on other folks seeing what's wrong and telling 
> me how to
> > fix it by recompiling some library or something.
> <snip>
> 
> Have you tried running a revdep-rebuild -p -v to see if there's
> anything broken? Do you know what triggered the crashing behavious -
> did an update get run, did something new get emerged, did some ebuild
> get unmerged?
> 
> HTH-
> 
> James

I'd second the revdep-rebuild solution. It's best knowing why it crashed rather than ignoring it in case it starts taking down other applications as well.

A quick google however found:

- Importing contacts to Thunderbird. USE THE SCRIPT AT YOUR OWN RISK.
http://www.mepis.org/node/2916

- Importing emails (Evo doesnt have to be working...)
http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/09/10/1446217&tid=37&tid=101 (although this is from 2004)


As always, YMMV.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?

[Mark Knecht]

On 2/28/07, Nelson, David (ED, PAR&D) <David.Nelson2@astrazeneca.com> wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: James Ausmus [mailto:james.ausmus@gmail.com]
> > Sent: 28 February 2007 08:45
> > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?
> >
> >
> > On 2/27/07, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >    I've got a machine that will no longer run Evolution.
> > For whatever
> > > reason all versions of Evolution in Portage crash. I cannot
> > as of yet
> > > get a backtrace to determine why. Even if I could a fast solution
> > > would depend on other folks seeing what's wrong and telling
> > me how to
> > > fix it by recompiling some library or something.
> > <snip>
> >
> > Have you tried running a revdep-rebuild -p -v to see if there's
> > anything broken? Do you know what triggered the crashing behavious -
> > did an update get run, did something new get emerged, did some ebuild
> > get unmerged?
> >
> > HTH-
> >
> > James
>
> I'd second the revdep-rebuild solution. It's best knowing why it crashed rather than ignoring it in case it starts taking down other applications as well.
>
> A quick google however found:
>
> - Importing contacts to Thunderbird. USE THE SCRIPT AT YOUR OWN RISK.
> http://www.mepis.org/node/2916
>
> - Importing emails (Evo doesnt have to be working...)
> http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/09/10/1446217&tid=37&tid=101 (although this is from 2004)
>
>
> As always, YMMV.

Thanks. Yes, I'm completely through the emerge -DuN world,
revdep-rebuild process. No help there. Evolution continues to crash.
We were running Evolution 2.4. Unfortunately it's no longer in
portage. I've built every unmasked and masked version in portage and
they all crash. BugBuddy pops up but the backtrace is useless since
there is no debugging info. I'm going to rebuild the who machine from
scratch (emerge -e system, emerge -e world) to see if I get lucky.

Anyway, thanks. We're happy to look at Thunderbird if it might work.

- Mark
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Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Wednesday 28 February 2007 11:30:23 Mark Knecht wrote:
> Thanks. Yes, I'm completely through the emerge -DuN world,
> revdep-rebuild process. No help there. Evolution continues to crash.
> We were running Evolution 2.4. Unfortunately it's no longer in
> portage. I've built every unmasked and masked version in portage and
> they all crash. BugBuddy pops up but the backtrace is useless since
> there is no debugging info. I'm going to rebuild the who machine from
> scratch (emerge -e system, emerge -e world) to see if I get lucky.

You have realized that you need to use either FEATURES=nostrip or 
FEATURES=splitdebug to get a better backtrace? Adding "-g" to your CFLAGS 
wouldn't hurt either.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Email clients - what can replace Evolution?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2007-02-28, Nelson, David (ED, PAR&D) <David.Nelson2@astrazeneca.com> wrote:

> I'd second the revdep-rebuild solution. It's best knowing why
> it crashed rather than ignoring it in case it starts taking
> down other applications as well.
>
> A quick google however found:
>
> - Importing contacts to Thunderbird. USE THE SCRIPT AT YOUR OWN RISK.
> http://www.mepis.org/node/2916

Doesn't seem to work for me...

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[gentoo-user] Re: Email clients - what can replace Evolution?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2007-02-28, Grant Edwards <grante@visi.com> wrote:
> On 2007-02-28, Nelson, David (ED, PAR&D) <David.Nelson2@astrazeneca.com> wrote:
>
>> I'd second the revdep-rebuild solution. It's best knowing why
>> it crashed rather than ignoring it in case it starts taking
>> down other applications as well.
>>
>> A quick google however found:
>>
>> - Importing contacts to Thunderbird. USE THE SCRIPT AT YOUR OWN RISK.
>> http://www.mepis.org/node/2916
>
> Doesn't seem to work for me...

I hacked on it a bit and got it working w/ evolution 2 and
thunderbird 1.5:

   www.visi.com/~grante/evol2tbird-addressbook.py

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Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?

[Matthias Langer]

On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 20:59 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
> Hi all,
>    I've got a machine that will no longer run Evolution. For whatever
> reason all versions of Evolution in Portage crash. I cannot as of yet
> get a backtrace to determine why. 

I'm using evolution-2.8.2.1 and it works fine; can you post your "emerge
--info" ?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?

[Mark Knecht]

On 2/28/07, Bo Ørsted Andresen <bo.andresen@zlin.dk> wrote:
> On Wednesday 28 February 2007 11:30:23 Mark Knecht wrote:
> > Thanks. Yes, I'm completely through the emerge -DuN world,
> > revdep-rebuild process. No help there. Evolution continues to crash.
> > We were running Evolution 2.4. Unfortunately it's no longer in
> > portage. I've built every unmasked and masked version in portage and
> > they all crash. BugBuddy pops up but the backtrace is useless since
> > there is no debugging info. I'm going to rebuild the who machine from
> > scratch (emerge -e system, emerge -e world) to see if I get lucky.
>
> You have realized that you need to use either FEATURES=nostrip or
> FEATURES=splitdebug to get a better backtrace? Adding "-g" to your CFLAGS
> wouldn't hurt either.
>
> --
> Bo Andresen

Thanks Bo. I read through the backtrace page you pointed me at and
decided I didn't understand enough of it to correctly get through it.
As a result I'm making no attempt at this point to get a back trace.
I'm just rebuilding everything on time to see if Evolution starts
working. I'm done with emerge -e system and about 1/3 of the way
through emerge -e world so maybe this evening I'll know the results of
that.

If it still fails then I'll have to return here one more time to ask
questions about what needs to be rebuilt. Must I rebuild everything or
can I just do Evolution and see if it drops into a library and then
rebuild that library and go deeper?

I have no desire to rebuild the complete system just to find a bug in
a program my dad doesn't really care if he's running only to find that
like a number of bug reports I'm made recently I never get a response
and there was no reason to do all the work on my end.

Cheers,
Mark
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Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?

[Mark Knecht]

On 2/28/07, Matthias Langer <mlangc@gmx.at> wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 20:59 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >    I've got a machine that will no longer run Evolution. For whatever
> > reason all versions of Evolution in Portage crash. I cannot as of yet
> > get a backtrace to determine why.
>
> I'm using evolution-2.8.2.1 and it works fine; can you post your "emerge
> --info" ?

If you're interested then sure. I'm running evolution-2.8.2.1 on a
couple of machines with no problems at all. It's only on his machine
and only since upgrading to Gnome 2.16.

gandalf ~ # emerge --info
Portage 2.1.2-r9 (default-linux/x86/2006.0, gcc-4.1.1, glibc-2.5-r0,
2.6.18-gentoo-r4 i686)
=================================================================
System uname: 2.6.18-gentoo-r4 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+
Gentoo Base System release 1.12.9
Timestamp of tree: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:30:01 +0000
dev-java/java-config: 1.3.7, 2.0.31
dev-lang/python:     2.4.3-r4
dev-python/pycrypto: 2.0.1-r5
sys-apps/sandbox:    1.2.17
sys-devel/autoconf:  2.13, 2.61
sys-devel/automake:  1.4_p6, 1.5, 1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.6-r2, 1.10
sys-devel/binutils:  2.16.1-r3
sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.3.14
sys-devel/libtool:   1.5.22
virtual/os-headers:  2.6.17-r2
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="x86"
AUTOCLEAN="yes"
CBUILD="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CFLAGS="-O3 -march=athlon-xp -funroll-loops -fprefetch-loop-arrays -pipe"
CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc /home/mythtv/ /usr/share/X11/xkb"
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/env.d /etc/env.d/java/ /etc/gconf
/etc/java-config/vms/ /etc/revdep-rebuild /etc/terminfo"
CXXFLAGS="-O3 -march=athlon-xp -funroll-loops -fprefetch-loop-arrays -pipe"
DISTDIR="/usr/portage/distfiles"
FEATURES="autoconfig distlocks metadata-transfer sandbox sfperms strict"
GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://mirror.tucdemonic.org/gentoo/
ftp://ftp.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/gentoo http://mirror.gentoo.gr.jp
http://www.zentek-international.com/mirrors/gentoo/"
LINGUAS="en"
MAKEOPTS="-j2"
PKGDIR="/usr/portage/packages"
PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS="--recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times
--compress --force --whole-file --delete --delete-after --stats
--timeout=180 --exclude=/distfiles --exclude=/local
--exclude=/packages"
PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
SYNC="rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage"
USE="3dnow 3dnowext X Xi alsa apache2 audiofile berkdb bitmap-fonts
cdparanoia cdr cjk cli cpudetection cracklib crypt cups dri dvd dvdr
dvdread eds emboss encode flac foomaticdb fortran gdbm gif gimp
gimpprint gnome gpm gstreamer gtk gtk2 i8x0 iconv imlib ipv6 isdnlog
jpeg kde libg++ libwww mad midi mikmod mjpeg mmx mmxext motif mozilla
mp3 mpeg mysql mythtv ncurses nls nptl nptlonly nvidia ogg opengl oss
pam pcre perl png ppds pppd python qt3 qt4 quicktime readline real
reflection sdl session sndfile spell spl sse ssl tcltk tcpd threads
tiff transcode truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts usb v4l v4l2 vorbis
win32codecs x86 xml xorg xscreensaver xv xvid zlib"
ALSA_CARDS="ali5451 als4000 atiixp atiixp-modem bt87x ca0106 cmipci
emu10k1 emu10k1x ens1370 ens1371 es1938 es1968 fm801 hda-intel
intel8x0 intel8x0m maestro3 trident usb-audio via82xx via82xx-modem
ymfpci" ALSA_PCM_PLUGINS="adpcm alaw asym copy dmix dshare dsnoop
empty extplug file hooks iec958 ioplug ladspa lfloat linear meter
mulaw multi null plug rate route share shm softvol" ELIBC="glibc"
INPUT_DEVICES="keyboard mouse" KERNEL="linux" LCD_DEVICES="bayrad
cfontz cfontz633 glk hd44780 lb216 lcdm001 mtxorb ncurses text"
LINGUAS="en" USERLAND="GNU" VIDEO_CARDS="nv nvidia vesa"
Unset:  CTARGET, EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS, INSTALL_MASK, LANG, LC_ALL,
LDFLAGS, PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS, PORTDIR_OVERLAY

gandalf ~ #


Here are the only errors in a terminal when it crashes. It crashes in
all accounts on the system so it's not something specific to my dad's
setup.

mark@gandalf ~ $ evolution

(evolution-2.8:16011): evolution-mail-WARNING **: cannot load
vfolders: Unable to load system rules
'/usr/share/evolution/2.8/vfoldertypes.xml': Success


(evolution-2.8:16011): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_layout_set_hadjustment:
assertion `GTK_IS_LAYOUT (layout)' failed

(evolution-2.8:16011): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_layout_set_vadjustment:
assertion `GTK_IS_LAYOUT (layout)' failed

** (bug-buddy:16026): WARNING **: Couldn't load icon for Bonobo
Component Browser

** (bug-buddy:16026): WARNING **: Couldn't load icon for Open Folder
Failed to read a valid object file image from memory.
mark@gandalf ~ $


Thanks,
Mark
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Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?

[Ryan Sims]

On 2/28/07, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/28/07, Matthias Langer <mlangc@gmx.at> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 20:59 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >    I've got a machine that will no longer run Evolution. For whatever
> > > reason all versions of Evolution in Portage crash. I cannot as of yet
> > > get a backtrace to determine why.
> >
> > I'm using evolution-2.8.2.1 and it works fine; can you post your "emerge
> > --info" ?
>
> If you're interested then sure. I'm running evolution-2.8.2.1 on a
> couple of machines with no problems at all. It's only on his machine
> and only since upgrading to Gnome 2.16.
>
[emerge --info snipped]
>
> Here are the only errors in a terminal when it crashes. It crashes in
> all accounts on the system so it's not something specific to my dad's
> setup.
>
> mark@gandalf ~ $ evolution
>
> (evolution-2.8:16011): evolution-mail-WARNING **: cannot load
> vfolders: Unable to load system rules
> '/usr/share/evolution/2.8/vfoldertypes.xml': Success
>
>
> (evolution-2.8:16011): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_layout_set_hadjustment:
> assertion `GTK_IS_LAYOUT (layout)' failed
>
> (evolution-2.8:16011): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_layout_set_vadjustment:
> assertion `GTK_IS_LAYOUT (layout)' failed
>
> ** (bug-buddy:16026): WARNING **: Couldn't load icon for Bonobo
> Component Browser
>
> ** (bug-buddy:16026): WARNING **: Couldn't load icon for Open Folder
> Failed to read a valid object file image from memory.
> mark@gandalf ~ $


Grasping at straws, but I found this:
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-evolution-maintainers/2006-September/001441.html

Try running evolution with the --sm-disable option?  It's not a fix, I
know, but it might help.  An evolution --help might shed some light on
what --sm-disable does, if it works.  (I'd check myself, but I'm not
in front of a linux box right now.)


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Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?

[Benno Schulenberg]

Mark Knecht wrote:
> If it still fails then I'll have to return here one more time to
> ask questions about what needs to be rebuilt.

Have you tried moving ~/.evolution out of the way?  Maybe it's just 
a broken config file that makes all versions of Evo stumble.

> Must I rebuild 
> everything or can I just do Evolution and see if it drops into a
> library and then rebuild that library and go deeper?

The latter.  Just rebuild with symbols the things that Evolution 
uses.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?

[Mark Knecht]

On 2/28/07, Ryan Sims <rwsims@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/28/07, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2/28/07, Matthias Langer <mlangc@gmx.at> wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 20:59 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >    I've got a machine that will no longer run Evolution. For whatever
> > > > reason all versions of Evolution in Portage crash. I cannot as of yet
> > > > get a backtrace to determine why.
> > >
> > > I'm using evolution-2.8.2.1 and it works fine; can you post your "emerge
> > > --info" ?
> >
> > If you're interested then sure. I'm running evolution-2.8.2.1 on a
> > couple of machines with no problems at all. It's only on his machine
> > and only since upgrading to Gnome 2.16.
> >
> [emerge --info snipped]
> >
> > Here are the only errors in a terminal when it crashes. It crashes in
> > all accounts on the system so it's not something specific to my dad's
> > setup.
> >
> > mark@gandalf ~ $ evolution
> >
> > (evolution-2.8:16011): evolution-mail-WARNING **: cannot load
> > vfolders: Unable to load system rules
> > '/usr/share/evolution/2.8/vfoldertypes.xml': Success
> >
> >
> > (evolution-2.8:16011): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_layout_set_hadjustment:
> > assertion `GTK_IS_LAYOUT (layout)' failed
> >
> > (evolution-2.8:16011): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_layout_set_vadjustment:
> > assertion `GTK_IS_LAYOUT (layout)' failed
> >
> > ** (bug-buddy:16026): WARNING **: Couldn't load icon for Bonobo
> > Component Browser
> >
> > ** (bug-buddy:16026): WARNING **: Couldn't load icon for Open Folder
> > Failed to read a valid object file image from memory.
> > mark@gandalf ~ $
>
>
> Grasping at straws, but I found this:
> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-evolution-maintainers/2006-September/001441.html
>
> Try running evolution with the --sm-disable option?  It's not a fix, I
> know, but it might help.  An evolution --help might shed some light on
> what --sm-disable does, if it works.  (I'd check myself, but I'm not
> in front of a linux box right now.)
>
>
> --
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Ryan,
   Hi. Thanks for the idea. Tried it. As of earlier this morning it
was still the same problem. From the help info:

--sm-disable                   Disable connection to session manager

   I tried a few other options but no help. At the time it still
crashed the same way. Of course, that was at the time.

   In the background I'm doing an emerge -e world. The rebuild is
about 50% of the way through. Apparently something needed to be
rebuilt because now Evolution is starting up just fine. No GTK
messages. No problems. Opens fine and seems to work.

   Do not have any idea yet what helped but something did.

Thanks,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?

[Mark Knecht]

On 2/28/07, Benno Schulenberg <benno.schulenberg@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
> > If it still fails then I'll have to return here one more time to
> > ask questions about what needs to be rebuilt.
>
> Have you tried moving ~/.evolution out of the way?  Maybe it's just
> a broken config file that makes all versions of Evo stumble.
>
> > Must I rebuild
> > everything or can I just do Evolution and see if it drops into a
> > library and then rebuild that library and go deeper?
>
> The latter.  Just rebuild with symbols the things that Evolution
> uses.
>
> Benno

Hi Benno,
   It failed in a new account I created just to test that.

   As I said in a response a few minutes ago the emerge -e world,
although not completely done, appears to have fixed it. Evolution is
now running fine.

   I will wait for the emerge -e world to finish up tonight and ensure
it's still working.

   We may never know exactly what caused the problem I suspect.

Thanks,
Mark
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Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?

[Dale]

Mark Knecht wrote:
>
> Hi Benno,
>   It failed in a new account I created just to test that.
>
>   As I said in a response a few minutes ago the emerge -e world,
> although not completely done, appears to have fixed it. Evolution is
> now running fine.
>
>   I will wait for the emerge -e world to finish up tonight and ensure
> it's still working.
>
>   We may never know exactly what caused the problem I suspect.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark

I had the same thing to happen with Mozilla a good while back.  I never
did find out what fixed it either.

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?

[Iain Buchanan]

On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 14:23 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:

>    As I said in a response a few minutes ago the emerge -e world,
> although not completely done, appears to have fixed it. Evolution is
> now running fine.
> 
>    I will wait for the emerge -e world to finish up tonight and ensure
> it's still working.
> 
>    We may never know exactly what caused the problem I suspect.

if you want to know what broke it, then you should take the time to
compile in some debugging symbols (just in evolution and associated
libs, not the entire world!)  This would have been quicker than
rebuilding absolutely everything!

You obviously have time, as you just did an emerge -e world ;)
Unfortunately I don't think you'll be better off blindly fixing it -
what if it happens again?  What if a similar thing happens to a
different package?  Just switching mail-clients wont help - any package
is potentially open to crashing.  Take the time now to find out why, and
save yourself time in the future, IMHO :)

but glad it's working again.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?

[Mark Knecht]

On 2/28/07, Iain Buchanan <iaindb@netspace.net.au> wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 14:23 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
>
> >    As I said in a response a few minutes ago the emerge -e world,
> > although not completely done, appears to have fixed it. Evolution is
> > now running fine.
> >
> >    I will wait for the emerge -e world to finish up tonight and ensure
> > it's still working.
> >
> >    We may never know exactly what caused the problem I suspect.
>
> if you want to know what broke it, then you should take the time to
> compile in some debugging symbols (just in evolution and associated
> libs, not the entire world!)  This would have been quicker than
> rebuilding absolutely everything!
>
> You obviously have time, as you just did an emerge -e world ;)
> Unfortunately I don't think you'll be better off blindly fixing it -
> what if it happens again?  What if a similar thing happens to a
> different package?  Just switching mail-clients wont help - any package
> is potentially open to crashing.  Take the time now to find out why, and
> save yourself time in the future, IMHO :)
>
> but glad it's working again.
>
> cya,
> --
> Iain Buchanan <iaindb at netspace dot net dot au>
>

Iain,
   In principle I agree with you but specifics dictated the outcome this time.

1) I really didn't understand how to get the debugging stuff in there
and actually working. Learning would have taken time.

2) My dad, an almost 79 year old Gentoo user, was traveling and
returning home today. I Wanted him to have email.

3) Yes, emerge -e world takes time but requires very little attention
so I am free to try to earn a living. I had only one digest mismatch
in the rebuild. Other than that one stoppage the process went
uninterrupted while I got other things done.

   I'm thinking that what I do need to do is learn to get debugging
info but I can experiment with that on my machine instead of his. I
worry that something basic will go wrong and because the machine is
300 miles away it would have to get shipped to me. If I work with my
own machines first I'll have a better idea what's safe and what works.

   Now what I need to do is spend a little time learning more about
debugging symbols and the tools required to make sense of them. Keep
in mind that I am a user, not an IT guy, not a developer, not even a
CS major. I only need to know enough to provide information to helpful
folks who need it. I'll go work on that over the next few weeks maybe.

Cheers and thanks!
- Mark
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