From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Gx2wM-0007Zl-6N for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:01:06 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id kBKEwpnj002814; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 14:58:51 GMT Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBKEujnD016088 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 14:56:45 GMT Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id z38so2125975ugc for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 06:56:45 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lynjS6NvqJ9Jqfky62ucJ7eEyja2+RG4srKAVhXcnoyqNy0MHDZV1111hDEJC7tRaBbl15jlDgFqGLLxnsWJc3rPP+APpjzmwF9MnD+9w0ccZkLX9KtzS9BM9XShOOa7A62xAGqShboiqVwwTdt8ksEkEpG31778FfdsK3q1rQQ= Received: by 10.82.127.15 with SMTP id z15mr35448buc.1166626600202; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 06:56:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.106.18 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 06:56:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0612200656t79d410c0u3a8e3e97cf693ab0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 06:56:39 -0800 From: "Mark Knecht" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy? In-Reply-To: <20061218223404.0d3fcc86@krikkit.digimed.co.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <49bf44f10612180647g6ac243ebm9cfa8b79a5aeb3b5@mail.gmail.com> <200612181827.20843.volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> <49bf44f10612181054s6e4f621dy17708692a71a25dd@mail.gmail.com> <20061218223404.0d3fcc86@krikkit.digimed.co.uk> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by robin.gentoo.org id kBKEujnD016088 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by robin.gentoo.org id kBKEwpoE002814 X-Archives-Salt: 1b8f58f9-a8ee-491b-8e89-318fda1a95f7 X-Archives-Hash: dae96485e2740755ef27b9773e5d12de Just getting around to reading this 59 post. Thread. Interesting. Thanks! On 12/18/06, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:54:06 -0800, Grant wrote: > > > I'm thinking this over a bit more, and it seems like the best thing > > for Gentoo (or any distro) is a lot of users. More users must mean > > more active developers, and more active developers must mean an > > increased rate of growth for the software. > > "must mean"? Why? The only thing more users must mean is more users. If > you maintain the proportion of users-who-would-become-devs to > always-users your point may have some validity, but the ratio always > drops when a distro becomes popular. More users often means more work f= or > the same number of devs, it can be counter-productive. This is very true. > > > I believe the great benefit of Gentoo is its flexibility, and > > flexibility is like a meta-benefit because it makes possible any othe= r > > benefit. What do you think makes Ubuntu the distro of the moment? I= s > > it ease-of-use? If Gentoo focused more on ease-of-use aspects of the > > Ubuntu variety, they would attract more users and thereby increase th= e > > rate of growth for the software. > > Do we really need yet another easy to use distro? There are already mor= e > than enough of those. Gentoo is for those who want maximum control over > their systems and are prepared to make the effort to achieve this. This > is for a different type of user. Turn Gentoo into yet another easy-to-u= se > distro and those people lose while those wanting ease of use gain very > little. I agree again. The ONLY problem I'm having with Gentoo is the devs removing older revs of things from portage. (ati-drivers, MythTV, etc.) My older, somewhat specialized MYthTV frontends are boxes that require specific kernel+ati-drivers combos to get SVideo to work. I've found that when I need to upgrade these I find that the version of ati-drivers that I'm currently using is no longer in portage. I lost SVideo output on both my boxes for this reason and had to switch to composite vidio. Bummer. On those machines I'm seemingly forced to use ati-drivers because the xorg ATI drivers only support VGA output on my ATI9200/Pundit-R machines. > > I really don't care if Gentoo is considered a minority distro, it is no= t, > and hopefully never will be, a mass market product. I'd prefer it did not. I still love Gentoo. It's easily the most stable distro I've ever run. (RH & Suse here.) The support from the devs has been second to none. - Mark > > > -- > Neil Bothwick > > When you finally buy enough memory, you will not have enough disk space. > -- Murphy's Computer Laws n=B03 > > > --=20 gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list