[gentoo-user] xorg-x11-7.0 upgrade question

[gentoo-user] xorg-x11-7.0 upgrade question

[Mark Knecht]

Hi,
   I have some MythTV frontend machines that have been happily running
for about 15 months using what is now a pretty old kernel and
ati-drivers package. I am having trouble updating these machines since
neither the kernel or the ati-drivers ebuilds are available in portage
any more and, unfortunately, nothing that is in portage seems to boot
and work correctly.

   I wanted to know if I leave the kernel and ati-driver package alone
but upgrade to xorg-x11-7.0 will it work? Does xorg-x11-7+ force any
specific kernel requirement?

   I've already found that the one ati-driver that does work doesn't
seem to like any of the kernels in portage that I've tried.

   Please note that the issue here is that I need these Pundit-R
machines to use the S-Video outputs and not the normal VGA output. If
anyone else out there is using Pundit-R's with newer kernels and
drivers I'd love to know about it. I don't care one way or the other
about ati-drivers vs. xorg drivers. It matters not to me.

Thanks,
Mark
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Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-x11-7.0 upgrade question

[Ryan Tandy]

Mark Knecht wrote:
> I am having trouble updating these machines since
> neither the kernel or the ati-drivers ebuilds are available in portage
> any more and, unfortunately, nothing that is in portage seems to boot
> and work correctly.

If they work for you and there's no security issues, then why upgrade? :)
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Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-x11-7.0 upgrade question

[Mark Knecht]

On 7/19/06, Ryan Tandy <tarpman@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
> > I am having trouble updating these machines since
> > neither the kernel or the ati-drivers ebuilds are available in portage
> > any more and, unfortunately, nothing that is in portage seems to boot
> > and work correctly.
>
> If they work for you and there's no security issues, then why upgrade? :)

Ryan,
   I'm surprised you want to take up bandwidth on the list for this.

1) MythTV-0.18-X works but has stability issues so the backend server
needed to be upgraded to 0.19-X.

2) MythTV frontends must match the backend so the remote frontend, of
which these two Pundit-R boxes are, must be updated.

3) The Pundit-R machines use xor-x11-6.8.2-r1. Unfortunately for me
the maintainers have removed it from portage. I'm stuck in a masking
issue to keep it working.

4) Unfortunately many of the parts of MYthTV-0.19-X seems to be asking
for xorg-x11-6.9 or higher.

   With all of that I figured I might as well try to get to a new
kernel, new ati-driver and new xorg-x11 along with a new MythTV and
new mysql. The Gentoo devs/maintainers have a right to stop
maintaining all the old revs but I DESPERATELY wish they would create
an graveyard for old ebuilds that folks in my situation could download
and place in my overlay. I cannot find some of these ebuilds and this
newish policy has created a heck of a lot of extra work for me.

   Unless there is something constructive to be said please don't
bring this stuff to the lists. We don't need emails as a way to send
nothing but smiley's. Have a beer instead. Thanks.

Cheers,
Mark
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Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-x11-7.0 upgrade question

[Ryan Tandy]

I'd like to apologize for sending without thinking there.  I'm not 
particularly good with names, and didn't at all connect you with the 
same MythTV user who's been posting all along.  I realise how 
frustrating that probably is for you.  That said, let's see if I can help:

Mark Knecht wrote:
> 3) The Pundit-R machines use xor-x11-6.8.2-r1. Unfortunately for me
> the maintainers have removed it from portage. I'm stuck in a masking
> issue to keep it working.

Have you checked in Gentoo CVS?  Every ebuild that has ever existed is 
still in CVS, in the Attic.  To use your example: 
http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/x11-base/xorg-x11/?hideattic=0 
  reveals your missing xorg-x11-6.8.2-r1.ebuild.  The ebuild itself is 
at 
http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/gentoo-x86/x11-base/xorg-x11/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r1.ebuild

Hope that helps.

Ryan
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Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-x11-7.0 upgrade question

[Mark Knecht]

On 7/19/06, Ryan Tandy <tarpman@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd like to apologize for sending without thinking there.  I'm not
> particularly good with names, and didn't at all connect you with the
> same MythTV user who's been posting all along.  I realise how
> frustrating that probably is for you.  That said, let's see if I can help:
>
> Mark Knecht wrote:
> > 3) The Pundit-R machines use xor-x11-6.8.2-r1. Unfortunately for me
> > the maintainers have removed it from portage. I'm stuck in a masking
> > issue to keep it working.
>
> Have you checked in Gentoo CVS?  Every ebuild that has ever existed is
> still in CVS, in the Attic.  To use your example:
> http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/x11-base/xorg-x11/?hideattic=0
>   reveals your missing xorg-x11-6.8.2-r1.ebuild.  The ebuild itself is
> at
> http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/gentoo-x86/x11-base/xorg-x11/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r1.ebuild
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Ryan

Thanks Ryan. However, isn't that only part of the required file set?
There are patches and other things generally needed to allow an ebuild
actually install correctly. Where do I get those? For instance, when
mythtv-0.18.1-r1was removed from portage I had to go set this up in my
portage overlay:

mark@lightning ~ $ ls -al /usr/local/portage/media-tv/mythtv/
total 24
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root  4096 Jul  3 18:27 .
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root  4096 Jul  2 13:40 ..
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   906 Jul  2 13:46 Manifest
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 Jul  3 18:27 files
-rw-r--r-- 1 mark users 5165 Jul  2 13:32 mythtv-0.18.1-r1.ebuild
mark@lightning ~ $ ls -al /usr/local/portage/media-tv/mythtv/files/
total 20
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jul  3 18:27 .
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Jul  3 18:27 ..
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  247 Jul  2 13:46 digest-mythtv-0.18.1-r1
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  304 Jul  2 15:58 mythtv-0.18.1-opengl-fix.patch
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  631 Jul  2 15:59 mythtv-0.18.1-x86_64-configure.patch
mark@lightning ~ $

When I set this up I couldn't find the files to download but
fortunately had them on a local machine that hadn't been updated.
Without the patch files the ebuild doesn't work.

To float an idea, if portage was going to remove an ebuild from my
system since the devs/maintainers aren't supporting it anymore, then
instead of removing it why doesn't it just move it to my portage
overlay directory so my system continues to build correctly?

Just an idea.

Cheers,
Mark
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Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-x11-7.0 upgrade question

[Ryan Tandy]

Mark Knecht wrote:
> However, isn't that only part of the required file set?
> There are patches and other things generally needed to allow an ebuild
> actually install correctly. Where do I get those?

Just direct ${BROWSER} to sources.gentoo.org, and look in the gentoo-x86 
repository.  Anything that could ever at some time have been acquired 
via --sync is in there.  If a file seems to be missing (i.e. has been 
deleted), click "Show x dead files" at the top, e.g.:

http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/media-tv/mythtv/files/?hideattic=0

where "hideattic=0" is the important part.
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Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-x11-7.0 upgrade question

[Jeremy Olexa]

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Mark Knecht wrote:
> maintaining all the old revs but I DESPERATELY wish they would create
> an graveyard for old ebuilds that folks in my situation could download

Oh, but there does exist such a place. ALL of the MythTV ebuilds for
example: http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/media-tv/mythtv/

HTH! =)

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Office: EE/CS 1-201
CS/IT Systems Staff
University of Minnesota

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Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-x11-7.0 upgrade question

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Mark Knecht wrote:
>   I wanted to know if I leave the kernel and ati-driver package alone
> but upgrade to xorg-x11-7.0 will it work? Does xorg-x11-7+ force any
> specific kernel requirement?

With X.Org 7.0, you will need to install an ati-drivers package that
supports modular X. I did a quick grep and came up with this:

$ grep xorg-server ati-drivers-* -l
ati-drivers-8.20.8.ebuild
ati-drivers-8.21.7.ebuild
ati-drivers-8.21.7-r1.ebuild
ati-drivers-8.22.5.ebuild
ati-drivers-8.23.7.ebuild
ati-drivers-8.24.8.ebuild
ati-drivers-8.25.18.ebuild
ati-drivers-8.26.18.ebuild

If one of those is already installed, you will need to reinstall it to
get the correct, dlloader-using drivers.

There should be no kernel requirement from X.Org, any kernel requirement
will be by ati-drivers.

Thanks,
Donnie


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