[gentoo-user] Stable MythTV removed from portage?

[gentoo-user] Stable MythTV removed from portage?

[Mark Knecht]

Hello,
   I have mythtv-0.18.1-r1 installed. Now it appears that it's not
even an option anymore? What happened to Myth?

   I do not want to update to 0.19 as it means work on 5 machines that
I don't want to undertake.

Thanks,
Mark

lightning portage # emerge -pv --deep --update --newuse world

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating world dependencies |
!!! Packages for the following atoms are either all
!!! masked or don't exist:
media-tv/mythtv

... done!
<DELETED REST>

lightning portage # eix mythtv
* media-tv/mythtv
     Available versions:  [M]0.19_p9163-r1 [M]0.19_p10281
     Installed:           0.18.1-r1
     Homepage:            http://www.mythtv.org/
     Description:         Homebrew PVR project
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Re: [gentoo-user] Stable MythTV removed from portage?

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Sunday 02 July 2006 18:14, Mark Knecht wrote:
> I have mythtv-0.18.1-r1 installed. Now it appears that it's not
> even an option anymore? What happened to Myth?
>
> I do not want to update to 0.19 as it means work on 5 machines that
> I don't want to undertake.

You can grab the ebuild and it's patches from cvs [1] and place them in an 
overlay.

[1] http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/media-tv/mythtv/

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Re: [gentoo-user] Stable MythTV removed from portage?

[Mark Knecht]

On 7/2/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen <bo.andresen@zlin.dk> wrote:
> On Sunday 02 July 2006 18:14, Mark Knecht wrote:
> > I have mythtv-0.18.1-r1 installed. Now it appears that it's not
> > even an option anymore? What happened to Myth?
> >
> > I do not want to update to 0.19 as it means work on 5 machines that
> > I don't want to undertake.
>
> You can grab the ebuild and it's patches from cvs [1] and place them in an
> overlay.
>
> [1] http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/media-tv/mythtv/
>
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> Bo Andresen

Bo,
   Thanks for the pointer. I suppose I'll have to do this. Bummer....

   Why was 0.18 removed from portage? Has there been a thread on that
subject I missed as I'm not reading this list very carefully right
now. 0.18 was in portage for over a year I think. Why not mark it
stable or leave it in the group of masked ebuilds and let us make a
choice?

   I thought Gentoo was about choice. Who ever is maintaining this has
taken choice away from me and replaced it with more work. Bummer.

Cheers,
Mark

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Re: [gentoo-user] Stable MythTV removed from portage?

[Mark Knecht]

On 7/2/06, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/2/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen <bo.andresen@zlin.dk> wrote:
> > On Sunday 02 July 2006 18:14, Mark Knecht wrote:
> > > I have mythtv-0.18.1-r1 installed. Now it appears that it's not
> > > even an option anymore? What happened to Myth?
> > >
> > > I do not want to update to 0.19 as it means work on 5 machines that
> > > I don't want to undertake.
> >
> > You can grab the ebuild and it's patches from cvs [1] and place them in an
> > overlay.
> >
> > [1] http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/media-tv/mythtv/
> >
> > --
> > Bo Andresen
>
> Bo,
>    Thanks for the pointer. I suppose I'll have to do this. Bummer....
>
>    Why was 0.18 removed from portage? Has there been a thread on that
> subject I missed as I'm not reading this list very carefully right
> now. 0.18 was in portage for over a year I think. Why not mark it
> stable or leave it in the group of masked ebuilds and let us make a
> choice?
>
>    I thought Gentoo was about choice. Who ever is maintaining this has
> taken choice away from me and replaced it with more work. Bummer.
>
> Cheers,
> Mark
>

It is disappointing to find out that MYthTV-0.18-x was removed for
reasons that some folks feel were possibly invalid. Apparently (IF I
UNDERSTAND THIS - I probably don't...) there was a security bug found
in ffmpeg and (I don't know why) a decision was taken to remove
revisions of applications that used ffmpeg. However on my machine
attempting emerge -pve mythtv-0.18-X doesn't indicate that it would
have emerged ffmpeg, so what is the problem? Why remove this version?

Maybe someone here knows the history? I couldn't get it from the bugs
I looked at. If MythTV doesn't use ffmpeg then is the issue that they
copied some bad code instead of linking in the bad library?

Again, it seems to make little sense to me.

- Mark

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Re: [gentoo-user] Stable MythTV removed from portage?

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Sunday 02 July 2006 22:30, Mark Knecht wrote:
> Again, it seems to make little sense to me.

You don't want to upgrade because mythtv is a pain in the butt to upgrade. Now 
imagine what it's like to maintain it... ;) I don't know more than you do 
about this but I could imagine they wanted to lower the number of ebuilds 
that they have to maintain...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Stable MythTV removed from portage?

[Mark Knecht]

On 7/2/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen <bo.andresen@zlin.dk> wrote:
> On Sunday 02 July 2006 22:30, Mark Knecht wrote:
> > Again, it seems to make little sense to me.
>
> You don't want to upgrade because mythtv is a pain in the butt to upgrade. Now
> imagine what it's like to maintain it... ;) I don't know more than you do
> about this but I could imagine they wanted to lower the number of ebuilds
> that they have to maintain...
>
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> Bo Andresen

Yeah, I understand, and you are probably right. But mythtv-0.18.1
hasn't been changing. I don't do software so I don't understand the
word 'maintain'. I'm sure it's a drag and this is easier on them. I
just wish the devs would have a bit more compassion for those of use
out here wiht families we're trying to keep happy with these toys! ;-)

Anyway, I just brought down the 0.18 ebuild and built a digest but
it's complaining about missing patches so I'll see if I can't figure
that out.

If this is painful enough I guess they'll force me to upgrade anyway,
won't they? ;-)

Cheers,
Mark

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Re: [gentoo-user] Stable MythTV removed from portage?

[Nick Rout]

On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 13:51:24 -0700
Mark Knecht wrote:

> On 7/2/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen <bo.andresen@zlin.dk> wrote:
> > On Sunday 02 July 2006 22:30, Mark Knecht wrote:
> > > Again, it seems to make little sense to me.
> >
> > You don't want to upgrade because mythtv is a pain in the butt to upgrade. Now
> > imagine what it's like to maintain it... ;) I don't know more than you do
> > about this but I could imagine they wanted to lower the number of ebuilds
> > that they have to maintain...
> >
> > --
> > Bo Andresen
> 
> Yeah, I understand, and you are probably right. But mythtv-0.18.1
> hasn't been changing. I don't do software so I don't understand the
> word 'maintain'. I'm sure it's a drag and this is easier on them. I
> just wish the devs would have a bit more compassion for those of use
> out here wiht families we're trying to keep happy with these toys! ;-)
> 
> Anyway, I just brought down the 0.18 ebuild and built a digest but
> it's complaining about missing patches so I'll see if I can't figure
> that out.
> 
> If this is painful enough I guess they'll force me to upgrade anyway,
> won't they? ;-)
> 
> Cheers,
> Mark

If it is so stable and you have it on 5 machines then why are you
wanting to install it again?

Actually 0.19 has quite a lot of improvements.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Stable MythTV removed from portage?

[Mark Knecht]

On 7/2/06, Nick Rout <nick@rout.co.nz> wrote:

>
> If it is so stable and you have it on 5 machines then why are you
> wanting to install it again?

I don't.  I just don't want messages about things being installed for
which there is no atom, or whatever the message is.

(And it's not that stable - it's that no one watches TV anymore. If
Myth quits then the WAF==0.0 and I'm in deep stuff!)

>
> Actually 0.19 has quite a lot of improvements.

Yes, and I hope to get it all upgraded when my family goes away for a
couple of weeks in July. Until then I just don't like being pushed
around! ;-)

More importantly (to me) is that when looking at a distro like this
what are the issues with  leaving an older revision in portage? I
don't see what the maintainance issues are. It's been a working ebuild
for a long time. Why remove it. Just leave it there. I suppose files
could move and then the ebuild would need an update but other than
that how much work is being saved for one person vs. a decision by
that one person to force lots of people to upgrade? (All
rhetorical....)

- Mark
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Re: [gentoo-user] Stable MythTV removed from portage?

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Monday 03 July 2006 15:05, Mark Knecht wrote:
> More importantly (to me) is that when looking at a distro like this
> what are the issues with  leaving an older revision in portage? I
> don't see what the maintainance issues are. It's been a working ebuild
> for a long time.

If you think so then I suggest you go to bugs.gentoo.org and search for mythtv 
bugs. As long as it is in portage marked as stable maintaining it means they 
should try to solve those bugs.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Stable MythTV removed from portage?

[Nick Rout]

On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 06:05:30 -0700
Mark Knecht wrote:

> On 7/2/06, Nick Rout <nick@rout.co.nz> wrote:
> 
> >
> > If it is so stable and you have it on 5 machines then why are you
> > wanting to install it again?
> 
> I don't.  I just don't want messages about things being installed for
> which there is no atom, or whatever the message is.

Then follow the advice given and add it to an overlay

> 
> More importantly (to me) is that when looking at a distro like this
> what are the issues with  leaving an older revision in portage? I
> don't see what the maintainance issues are. It's been a working ebuild
> for a long time. Why remove it. Just leave it there. 

How far back should it go? Should we leave beta versions of firefox in
portage? How about kde 1? How bloody big do you want the portage tree to
be? How about when some dependency is no longer compatible with myth
0.18 ?


>I suppose files
> could move and then the ebuild would need an update

Volunteering are you?

>but other than
> that how much work is being saved for one person vs. a decision by
> that one person to force lots of people to upgrade? (All
> rhetorical....)
> 
> - Mark
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Re: [gentoo-user] Stable MythTV removed from portage?

[David Morgan]

On 09:34 Tue 04 Jul     , Nick Rout wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 06:05:30 -0700
> Mark Knecht wrote:
> > More importantly (to me) is that when looking at a distro like this
> > what are the issues with  leaving an older revision in portage? I
> > don't see what the maintainance issues are. It's been a working ebuild
> > for a long time. Why remove it. Just leave it there. 
> 
> How far back should it go? Should we leave beta versions of firefox in
> portage? How about kde 1? How bloody big do you want the portage tree to
> be? How about when some dependency is no longer compatible with myth
> 0.18 ?
>

More importantly, there was a security issue with the version that was
removed.

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