From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EcUdH-0007rk-7k for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:15:55 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jAGLF1TR030839; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:15:01 GMT Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.204]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAGLAIJq013369 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:10:19 GMT Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s6so2197259wxc for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:10:18 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=F22/nhARmAcmpPg22dQztamkxfXrxPusWrCB+DU0ZpYH4qZAHi85dEJhf8b919JsctyhM/gX2UARLgCKwCx7wxB/j8Btba8UoT/rcjDgjL6+0b3u0JXNz34PAn8MiSOaW/aWLMMui8IloJJi4jCe6l82r11KvsKN6hTnq2QhZL0= Received: by 10.70.46.20 with SMTP id t20mr4129585wxt; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:10:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.11.1 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:10:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511161310v28f45106rf07e8216c0803460@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:10:18 -0800 From: Mark Knecht To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path? In-Reply-To: <200511162155.25694.outrage@gmx.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <9999810b0511160820h648eb1a5o4f62300507c2b8a9@mail.gmail.com> <200511162130.38788.outrage@gmx.net> <5bdc1c8b0511161247n60b6b720vf5e2db3e0f31af8a@mail.gmail.com> <200511162155.25694.outrage@gmx.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by robin.gentoo.org id jAGLAIJq013369 X-Archives-Salt: 3e36d0f3-1e6a-4905-8f79-3e0bd4041a6b X-Archives-Hash: 0e118981066b21ce4d20bb6142da8bb9 On 11/16/05, Benjamin Martin wrote: > On Wednesday 16 November 2005 21:47, Mark Knecht wrote: > > I'm not a developer and I've never done a Stage 1 install so I cannot > > say for sure, but it's my understanding that after a Stage 3 install > > most people end up rebuilding everything anyway within a few weeks. > > Very soon my Stage 3 and your Stage 1 are identical. The Stage 1 > > allows me to get the machine up and running sooner. > > > > Just my take on the question. > > > > Cheers, > > Mark > > True that the installations become identical very soon. But what if I set up > server using stage 1 and an up-to-date portage tree. After the installation > is finished it'll sit around doing whatever it's supposed to do and I don't > really touch it except for security related updates. > Just an example where stage 1 was a nice option. Taking away such an option > doesn't sound all too much like the gentoo way to me. Good points. I agree it doesn't seem like the Gentoo way to remove options, however, in response to Derek's original point about rising or fallign numbers of Gentoo new users it might be wise to make the default install Stage 3, thus making the newest users most likely more successful, and then create some (not so obvious) option to allow folks like you that have good reasons to do Stage 1 if they want it. I know not what I speak of as I cannot even imagine anymore why I'd want to do a Stage 1 install, but I do assume all that work must have some value to others. Take care, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list